Who cares the same DPS are always shit and the same DPS are on top? Why are you playing this game?
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Homogenization allowing others specs like WW, Enhance, Ret or Feral to ever be top dps is homogenization? Seriously?
Who cares the same DPS are always shit and the same DPS are on top? Why are you playing this game?
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Homogenization allowing others specs like WW, Enhance, Ret or Feral to ever be top dps is homogenization? Seriously?
Eternal Palace - Top 1 Shadow Priest -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/23
Crucible of Storms - Top 1 Shadow Priest -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/22
Battle of Dazar - Top 1 Ele Shaman -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/21
Uldir - Top 1 Demo Warlock -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...cs/19#region=2
Antorus - Top 1 Aff Warlock -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/17
Tomb of Sargeras - Top 1 Aff Warlock -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/13
Nighthold - Top 1 Aff Warlock -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/11
Trial of Valor - Top 1 Shadow Priest -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/12
Emerald Nightmare - Top 1 Shadow Priest -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/10
Hellfire Citadel - Top 1 Arcane Mage -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/8 <- Hooray! The first mage!
Blackrock Foundry - Top 1 Fire Mage -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/7
Highmaul - Top 1 Fire Mage -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/6
WoD CM's - Top 1 Ass Rogue -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/3 <- First Rogue!
You're right, there's absolutely been NOTHING except Mages and Rogues sitting at number 1 on the rankings since MoP
Originally Posted by Addiena
Like its been said already - you can never create a perfect balance, unless you had 10 indentic classes with different animations. Im very glad there still is some class indentity in the game.
In my opinion - yes there are some “trends” in the game top charts but not that huge that it would make normal ppl not enjoy the game and refusing ppl to take those classes in the raids unless you wanna be “first realm” or so. And i think its ok, youre complaining that hybrids dont do same or better as pure dps. Ret paladin is never as squishy as a mage. (for example) - which is a vanilla kind of view (that pure is better than hybrid but less versatile) and yea, game design changed since vanilla, but this is ok for me.
Last edited by koppi; 2020-08-29 at 07:10 AM.
Chin up lil pup.
Top ten DPS? Who honestly gives a shit about top 10? Oh woohoo I'm in tenth place! I FINALLY MADE YALL! Top ten? Are you serious? You feel good about tenth place? Rolfmao.
GUYS IM TENTH PLACE OUT OF 11 DPS!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!!!
Can you imagine the glee. I'm in a raid with 13 dps and I'm top ten I knew my hard work would pay off! Thank you Blizzard.
Last edited by Sunslayer; 2020-08-29 at 07:10 AM.
Lmao guy says he is top parsing and doesnt understand this simple concept. If the first 9 are all same class and the tenth is feral then he is second out of 11 dps classes not tenth. One spec always has to be the best so being second best is not that bad
Ive been best parsing Hunter of whole WoW since vanilla and I know we are in a good spot usually esp since dps isnt the only thing that matter (except in bad guilds which I think youve played oi)
Last edited by facefist; 2020-08-29 at 07:15 AM.
Doesnt understand the concept? If I aint top dps fuck all else
How simple is that for you to undersyand? And since you dont seem to grasp what I'm saying "top" dps is number 1 nothing else.
Look, I get it. Its the era of 15th place trophies. I'm not in your "everyone wins generation". You win or you lose. Its first or nothing. Every spec should be able to get 1st if they play better.
I get that in your generation, 12th place is as good as 1st place. I'm not from your soft ass generation.
Last edited by Sunslayer; 2020-08-29 at 07:19 AM.
Top 10 dps overall. Mage and Rogue don’t even hold the top spot in many of them. Your own argument is flawed in that there is specific proof you’re wrong when it comes to overall damage.
You’re also arguing a personal spot out of your own raid, which also makes no sense unless in your example you have 9 Mages/Rogues and 2 other dps. So maybe think about your response a little bit before you hit post.
Your response also evokes memories of the idiots that always reply loudly and sarcastically because they think it makes them correct when all it does is make them look even more ignorant of the facts and laughable by anyone who happens to witness it.
Lmao imagine taking video game so seriously that u cant play unless the design favours your class. I bet u quit everything irl as well unless things are catered towards you as.
The biggest losers are those who quit if they aren't given edge against others by default. Boohoo I won't play piano because the best pianist in the world has taller fingers. Boohoo I won't play basketball because I'm not as tall as my friend so he has advantage over me
Get good so you can overcome the small disadvantages. If you think your so good that the small difference matters go play cs/dota or something and make millions from it because class design doesnt play part there
Last edited by facefist; 2020-08-29 at 08:25 AM.
I don't know OP, like it took you three attempts to correctly spell "design" so I am unsure if I should take you seriously regarding this topic
sunslayer must be this 0,001% of top of the top competitive players that must min-max his dmg to the very end and they nerf his class in shadowland and he don't like rerolling that why he cry for sure! outer word you don't need to be top dps you don't need to do highest dmg in the raid to be taken to it and have fun!
op is definitely right with his opinion, sorry but trying to prove there are other top dps classes is stupid and ignorant...
because correct me if i'm wrong but, the issue here is not about mage and rogue is top dps all the time literally, yea there were times other classes and specs shone too, we all know that, dont try to research logs over the last 10 years and bring proof, we know, but the issue is some classes/specs are always useful and some are redundant, no matter what, please dont protect the game devs on that, its their job to make these classes balanced at some point and they definitely cant make this work.
for example i've played ret all these years because i love the spec and the aesthetics, but this expansion i will reroll to rogue just because its way easier to get in groups and actually be useful. now you might say "paladins can heal and tank too, so you cant expect them to be good in dps as a pure dps class", ok but then ill ask you this "why the hell is there such a spec as ret then?". i mean if i cant be as good as a pure dps'er ok, but then its devs responsibility to create a spot for my spec, because they are the ones who created this spec in the first place!
in this game there are useless specs, and devs dont do anything to solve this problem, if a ret cant be a good dps as a pure dps class because a paladin can heal and tank too, then create some kind of a utility dps spot which can be filled by a hybrid dps, im not obsessed with dps numbers and stuff,i just want this game to give my favourite spec a spot to fill, bring the player not the class? anyone? yea right...
back to the topic, this game was and will always be about pure class roles, but there are actually hybrid specs, expansions and expansions devs never do anything brave to actually fix it. so devs, just remove these useless hybrids at once or just come up with a new system where hybrid specs can fit in too...
The bottom falls out of any "hybrids are being shit on" argument when you realise that Shadow Priests have been top tier for like 6 years of expansions.
While it's true that Ret paladins aren't topping the "highest dps possible" charts at the moment, they're still more than capable of completing all the raid content at the moment, and it's ridiculous to call them "useless".
On the M+ side, Ret is actually one of the more popular Melee DPS specs, sitting at 4th out of 13, with a 7.3% participation rate at M20 and above -> https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankin...MythicLevel=99
On the PvP Side, I don't really participate, but a quick glance at https://www.worldofwargraphs.com/pvp-stats/classes shows Ret Paladins as solidly in the top 30%, not as high, but still higher than a shit-ton of other specs(RIP Demo Locks and Prot Warriors)
Originally Posted by Addiena
This is data compiled by Babylonius on comparative mythic raid performance at the 75% percentile across the last three expansions, based on WCL data:
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This is data compiled by Intricate08 on comparative mythic+ representation, based on each dungeon's top 100 run data from raider.io from 7.2 onwards:
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I feel exactly the same. Played my DK and my Monk non stop for years. Legion was already a tough pill swallow and BfA was just unbearable so I quit after 8.1. Not doing this for another 2 years.
I'm happy with my spec