Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of Asian players where many remarked on the Horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play (Source)
You might think this way, but a lot of your comrades do not.
There have been and will be in the future many threads to defend Sylvanas and her genocidal hobbies. The reasons differ. Some think Sylvanas is indeed the only interesting character left (a result of watching too much GoTh if you ask me), some just wanted to kill as much Alliance as possible, some don't care and just want to kill everyone and everything and Sylvanas was a great excuse to channel the inner psychopath and finally some are in love with her.
In short lots of Horde players were immensely happy with how this expansion started. They had a great time being the guys that burned nightelf babies, dropped plague bombs on Boralus and pinned farmers to barn doors in Brennadan and these guys have been pretty vocal about that.
Your faction is attractiong all those people who want to play the bad guy and thus Blizzard now and then have to give them that just to stop the crying for a year, because the root of the problem is their own fault. Turning the Horde into a noble faction after all the shit it has commited already without so much as changing the name was never gonna work. You call it "villain bat", the other fraction calls it "omg finally".
This is also the reason why I absolutely expect another unprovoked attack of the Horde on the Alliance in the future. Not during SLs but I think in 10.0 we will begin to see the first hints at a new Warchief grabbing power, dismissing the council and that expansion will lead into another faction war.
That is the true result of BFA, there is no way in hell for the Horde to regain the trust of the Alliance anymore. We will now always expect to be stabbed in the back, no matter how much Thrall and Baine talk about peace. I mean the players, not the characters in game, those will be as surprised as ever, but the playerbase will just sigh and go through it for a third time.
Well, what we learn from SLs is that there is indeed a set idea of morality in the cosmos (symbolized and executed by the Arbiter). There is a clear definition of good and evil in-universe and evil people get called out and punished for their evil deeds. There is really no surprise that the Horde characters get called out for all the things they did during the Fourth War.
Don't forget that many of your comrades throughly enjoyed being evil and happiliy sided with Sylvanas even after all the shit she tried to pull. Obviously they get admonished for that.
In fact if there were actual consequences in this game, then a Loyalist would never leave the Shadowlands again, they'd be given the option of redemption and throw it away because "muh Dark Lady" and then they'd be send to the Maw, character stuck there forever.
While he, certainly, isn't a Horde character, he does owe the Horde quite a lot and vice versa. He helped Vol'jin retake the Echo Isles in Cataclysm, he helped the zandalari (who helped him in return) in both Nazmir and Dazar'alor and later in Shadows Risingsh, the Horde helped save his life, his temple and his followers. So not a Horde character, but an ally to say the least.
Amazing sig, done by mighty Lokann
Get a huge, devastating and humiliating defeat with your entire faction leadership wringing hands and clutching pearls and being useless while Alliance will burn some horde city to ash and scatter the ash far and wide. With horrible, over the top descriptions and “oh we are certainly doomed now” wheeping of horde civilians.
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Sadly most of your faction fans enjoyed that sooo... Yeah, kinda shared guilt that falls on the horde in general.
"-Horde bad, alliance good!"
Great writing as usual Blizzard.
The entire existance of the Loyalist storyline proves you wrong. It was included because players demanded to be able to side with the psychopathic mass murderer AFTER she had commited genocide.
Considering how this proves that a lot of you were completely fine with all the things Sylvanas did, wanted more AND are only now loudly complaining when you are forced into being peaceful again, I would say that the playerbase is very much complicit in the path this story has taken. Blizzard IS listening to your feedback.
But this is exactly as expected (and as I have explained in some other thread). As long as there are no consequences this group of "Evil Horde"-lobbyists can't shut up with how much they enjoyed burning the tree and sticking it to the Night Elves, but as soon as even a minor consequence appears it is: "We had nothing to do with this, it was the writers forcing us! How dare you say we are evil!"
If you are one of those who were dragged down by this part of your faction (but considering your own comments on the peaceful Horde leadership I have my doubts), I can only say, make your voice heard. As long as the other side is louder the story will be written for THEM.
right, then scold those alone, not the rest, they know who the loyalist were, they did the quest, its on their logs
This is a non argument knowing the lead dev himself is a massive Sylvanas fanboy, thats the reason of why they did the loyalist question anyway, and since they are not doing again shows how poorly was received and of course to now show his favoritismConsidering how this proves that a lot of you were completely fine with all the things Sylvanas did, wanted more AND are only now loudly complaining when you are forced into being peaceful again, I would say that the playerbase is very much complicit in the path this story has taken. Blizzard IS listening to your feedback.
again, you think is fine that the consequences falls to everyone when just the sylvanas fanboys were following her blindly, that is not going to happen, it should not happen, you are putting everyone in the same bag for some reasonBut this is exactly as expected (and as I have explained in some other thread). As long as there are no consequences this group of "Evil Horde"-lobbyists can't shut up with how much they enjoyed burning the tree and sticking it to the Night Elves, but as soon as even a minor consequence appears it is: "We had nothing to do with this, it was the writers forcing us! How dare you say we are evil!"
im all up for war, with both factions, don't want anyone peaceful, but i don't like pointless genocide, especially when the place should have been conqueredIf you are one of those who were dragged down by this part of your faction (but considering your own comments on the peaceful Horde leadership I have my doubts), I can only say, make your voice heard. As long as the other side is louder the story will be written for THEM.
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what data are you sing to say most of "my" faction enjoyed? no one with their right mind would enjoy that knowing it was a massive fail in strategy that only screw the war for us, Sylvanas loyalists are not majority of the horde, just the most loud
I believe he refers to you having to interact with Tyrande, who isn't happy to see the horde pc.
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Sorry but utter bullshit, believable conflict does not work that way, which is what blizz should strive for not the whining of players invested in alliance and horde. Meaning establishing functioning geopolitical spheres and conflicts, far more political factions ,different interests, political intrigues civil unrest the use of mercenary armies, many more settlements etc.
In essence start to properly build up their world
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Fair enough. Though this mixes up ingame and outgame knowledge. Just because it is in the quest log, does not mean that characters in game will recognize if you are a loyalist or not. Best example is that after the Mak'gorah there are still hidden Loyalists around.
It's a factually correct argument. You not liking it, does not change that. The Loyalist storyline was not planned, it was shoved in because players demanded it. Hence why it was so small and has no direct consequences, bar a small cutscene in the end.
The fact they are not continuing it has simple practical reasons:
1) Sylvanas is gonna be a raid boss sooner or later, how would that work with Loyalists in the group? Permanent mind control cast on pull?
2) Sylvanas goals have shifted quite a bit. Until the end of BFA you could at least somewhat argue that she was trying to win the war for the Horde, despite being a monster, now she is looking to destroy reality as a whole. Blizzard cannot imagine that any normal person would side with something like that. They are wrong of course, just as they were wrong when they thought that Teldrassil was enough to turn the Horde playerbase against her. But that is their reasoning.
No I am specifically refering to those guys that enjoyed the Burning of Teldrassil and kept defending it. But then the entire Horde followed Sylvanas for a long time until she turned on them as well.
War with the Horde always ends up in some genocide or another, because it does not know restraint.
Well, you do not have any data to prove that your side was in the majority either. The fact that is was enough feedback to include the Loyalists storyline is evidence enough that it was a big part of the Horde.
Logic doesn't come into play here.
Shocker. Alienating 50% of the playerbase over decisions made by writers might seem like a brilliant business tactic to those so emotionally invested in this that they equate players of one faction in a PG13 game to terrorists, but in the REAL world...
How on earth is it reasonable to point the finger at the Horde players for the awful writing decisions made by the game designer?
I mean, it would be one thing if the Horde was sold to us at the start as an evil faction with "nasty leaders", but it's kind of rough when we opt in to something that is retroactively changed once we've already been playing the faction for years.