Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Cheezits]

Is this new lore actually bad or people are just having shadowlands ptsd?

Titans and Elune not being the be-all-end all left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths, especially with the projecting that they were replaced because the writing team "thinks they are better". Coupled with a desire for EK/Kalimdor stories that Blizzard won't do right now.

[Xilurm]

We already knew about the Titans being lower on the spectrum than the First Ones. I'm done feeling bad about it.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Is this new lore actually bad or people are just having shadowlands ptsd?

Depends on if you liked the old lore and think giving gods there own even more powerful gods is silly or not.

[Murlocos]

The change in story direction and focus is very understandable when you remember that Chris Metzen and Micky Neilson both left Blizzard in 2016, along with Dave Kosak leaving the WoW team at the end of that year. It's funnier if you just roll with the conspiracy that Steve Danuser is getting vengeance for Everquest all these years later.

[Reive]

Titans and Elune not being the be-all-end all left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths, especially with the projecting that they were replaced because the writing team "thinks they are better". Coupled with a desire for EK/Kalimdor stories that Blizzard won't do right now.

So nothing new basically. Just confirming what we already knew

[Cheezits]

Suddenly pulling up these post...

Violet elves are nice, I play one but playable high elves? Why? I'd prefer to switch my warlock to panda.
Race will be something we never heard of. I don't know anything more, but the name sound badass. Crystal dwarf

He said
Champion, yer new race are diamond dwarves

It's Magnisworn, Diamond Dwarves. Told ya already.

This person was leaking information with Scaleface... did they see the new dwarves ahead of time?

[Nymrohd]

Honestly they did the retcon already, they might as well expand upon it and build something new and more complex. I'm happy for this new lore because it makes the retcon more meaningful.

[Reive]

Depends on if you liked the old lore and think giving gods there own even more powerful gods is silly or not.

I mean, i'm disappointed with the downgrade of elune. Her being one of those first ones would have been better.

[Ersula]

Depends on if you liked the old lore and think giving gods there own even more powerful gods is silly or not.

I do think the universe needs some mystery & we've learned too much about the Titans so this was inevitable: What doesn't make sense is speedrunning to explain the First Ones. At this rate we'll need Firstier Ones by 11.0. The most glaring problem here is the trend of having a villain say "XXX is bad," then two expansions later the heroes are like "Turns out XXX is bad... no one could have foreseen this." Was N'zoth even bad now? Literally, Villain, recontectualize, hero: Garrosh & Deathwing are going to be seen as heroes eventually.

Is this new lore actually bad or people are just having shadowlands ptsd?

They're Rings of Powering it. Which I don't personally mind. Galadriel & Sauron are f*#kin'? Fantastic. Deathwing wasn't actually working for the Old Gods? Sure. Just make it interesting & stop making players work for the "Odyn is awesome" club.

Here is two more lore books!
https://twitter.com/portergauge/stat...3zU_dtGcfl84mA
https://twitter.com/portergauge/stat...BRa7IdvdgdASLg

I mean, if they want to set up more allied races, there you go. But why do this if they have seemingly abandoned allied races completely? If you want more Dwarf allied races the Darkfallen should have been its own race.

[Reive]

They're Rings of Powering it. Which I don't personally mind. Galadriel & Sauron are f*#kin'? Fantastic.

Wait, did they really make sauron bang galadriel in rings of power? LOL

[Cheezits]

New continent(?) named Avaloren with "heretics" that rebelled against the watchers

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...01239948447745

[Aeluron Lightsong]

New continent(?) named Avaloren with "heretics" that rebelled against the watchers

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...01239948447745

I guess some mortals(I .E. Sentient life) not on board with the Titans.

[Nymrohd]

OK so an extra continent, we got more Azeroth! "Risk containment of our other prisoners" suggests that there is a prisoner (old god?) there.
Together with the idea that the Black Empire was not all horror maybe we'll find a place of enlightened chaos-aligned flesh of curse'd titanforged there.

[Ersula]

OK so an extra continent, we got more Azeroth! "Risk containment of our other prisoners" suggests that there is a prisoner (old god?) there.
Together with the idea that the Black Empire was not all horror maybe we'll find a place of enlightened chaos-aligned flesh of curse'd titanforged there.

I would like Dragonflight being the remnants of the Titans & Old Gods coming together against elementals but they absolutely refuse to give is a simple villain whos intentions aren't ambiguous. Is it really that hard to give us another Arthas?

Wait, did they really make sauron bang galadriel in rings of power? LOL

She thinks Celeborn is dead & she has this budding romance with the guy who she thinks is Aragorn's grandfather...only to reveal its actually Sauron this whole time. They didn't bang (yet) but its this big seduction thing. Like Sauron legit loves her, and wants her to be his "Dark Queen, as beautiful & terrible as the dawn.

[Cheezits]

I would like Dragonflight being the remnants of the Titans & Old Gods coming together against elementals but they absolutely refuse to give is a simple villain whos intentions aren't ambiguous. Is it really that hard to give us another Arthas?

Razsageth hates Titans for enforcing order and wants their followers dead. It's a pretty simple motivation that is explained overtly... however, she's a giant purple derp dragon, so it doesn't come off as cool as Arthas.

[Raetary]

It would be really nice if we could go over an expansion without blatantly retconing half the established cosmology.

But i guess that's too much to ask.

[Ersula]

Razsageth hates Titans for enforcing order and wants their followers dead. It's a pretty simple motivation that is explained overtly... however, she's a giant purple derp dragon, so it doesn't come off as cool as Arthas.

Yeah but we kill her by the end of the first raid. They tried an omni-present villain for the entire expansion in Shadowlands but he didn't have as much characterization as Arthas. For Dragonflight, who knows who the actual villain is?

[Cheezits]

Odyn really said: "The First Ones created the Cosmos but they are too great for mortals to comprehend. So just say the Big Bang happened from Light and Void, and that the Titans shaped and ordered everything else".

I think the book spells out really well that Odyn desperately wanted the Keepers and the Titans to be revered as THE gods, which... didn't really work out on Azeroth. It's a great villain motivation IMO and he's #1 choice for an Order Villain considering the heinous shit he has done over the years

[Ersula]

Odyn really said: "The First Ones created the Cosmos but they are too great for mortals to comprehend. So just say the Big Bang happened from Light and Void, and that the Titans shaped and ordered everything else".

For all we've seen, that did in-fact happened. Odyn just left out all the stuff about some robot-f*$kers being their bosses.

[Nymrohd]

Razsageth hates Titans for enforcing order and wants their followers dead. It's a pretty simple motivation that is explained overtly... however, she's a giant purple derp dragon, so it doesn't come off as cool as Arthas.

Have to say, the design is really derpy.