Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[postman1782]

y'all just don't like admitting that we don't have a real solution to the problem, and will not for many years. Government regulation will never fix the climate, but it will make lots of people rich in politics.

Says the guy that wants to do NOTHING, while we are doing something. And government regulation absolutely is the only way that it will probably attempt to fix the problem. Because without bare minimum requirements, then companies like Koch, Exxon, and other oil companies, will do anything they can to pollute.

[Jeezy911]

We do, though. Cutting carbon emissions.



"Because I say so" isn't a particularly compelling argument, sweaty.

Again, we have a perfect example of how the free market copes with climate change in what's happening with Texas right now. And the answer is "badly".

So we are looking at a minimum of 100 years to cut Carbon by enough to make a difference. The solution sucks, I'm sorry. We need Technology not invented yet.

[Elegiac]

No I'm talking about the Free Market that created the fastest Vaccine development in the history of Mankind

And is massively shitting the bed at actually distributing that vaccine, so....

Yeah. I don't buy for a second 'the free market' had anything to do with Katalin Kariko's work, because the fastest vaccine development has in fact been over forty years in the making thanks to largely publicly funded programs.

and will soon show financial incentive to live and travel to Mars.

Yes, because as we all know human spaceflight as we understand it isn't the result of two massive government programs.

[Jeezy911]

...Except that there are solutions, it's just that bought-out politicians and large fossil fuel corporations are fighting tooth and nail against the solutions.

It seems your extended vacation hasn't helped your problem-solving or comprehension issues.

Lets here a real solution that fixes Climate change within 30 years then with current technology?

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Yes, because as we all know human spaceflight as we understand it isn't the result of two massive government programs.

Oh god, you don't know do you?

[Elegiac]

Lets here a real solution that fixes Climate change within 30 years then with current technology?

South Australia says hi.

[Felya]

Lets here a real solution that fixes Climate change within 30 years then with current technology?

We were within months of competing our goals for Paris Accord and selling technology to countries in the Accord that were trying to keep up, until Trump pulled out. My guess, we will need to catch up after 4 years of Trump, then sell the technology. Just years after we should have...

[Elegiac]

Oh god, you don't know do you?

I know that Musk is going to make an absolute arse of himself by sending a crew to Mars that's going to end up dying due to corner cutting, if that's what you're asking.

Not seeing how that's relevant to the US and USSR's space programs making private spaceflight a possibility in the first place though, lol.

[Shadowferal]

Oh god, you don't know do you?

Considering how you constantly embarrass yourself by revealing how little you know, you likely know nothing.

[Felya]

Considering how you constantly embarrass yourself by revealing how little you know, you likely know nothing.

Biden should have hired an Exxon CEO as his Secretary of State... I am sure prices would have dropped them... @Jeezy911 if Biden appointed big oil and their lobbyists to prominent government position... Like Trump did... What would market predictors say about oil prices?

[Xyonai]

Considering how you constantly embarrass yourself by revealing how little you know, you likely know nothing.

Correction: His character pretends to not know anything. Honestly it's kind of impressive how well someone can play the part of an arrogant contrarian know-nothing without becoming a blatant parody of their policy positions, and I guess it was easier to keep this act going when they decided to take a break just long enough to not have to defend any of Trump's horrible COVID decisions, the deadly insurrection attempt, or even just the election where we got to watch the election lies die in real time.

[Dontrike]

You guys should be happy. This is the Utopia we have all been dreaming of, full progressive control with a Lifetime politician suffering from dementia driving the ship. Will be glorious if nothing else.

Didn't we just have a politician you wanted to make lifetime with dementia a little over a month ago?

[Shalcker]

We do, though. Cutting carbon emissions.

Are you ready to tax Americans to pay Chinese to do that?

Because that is what it would take.

[Felya]

Are you ready to tax Americans to pay Chinese to do that?

Seeing as how Americans are already paying taxes... we are all set.

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This is the most hilarious take you’ve had yet.

Still bitter they had to tax Russians, to pay America for jeans.

[Belize]

Lets here a real solution that fixes Climate change within 30 years then with current technology?

Carbon capture is the obvious one, to directly reduce greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

City geoscaping to reduce heat reflection back into the environment. We already have special paints for roads and adding greenery to buildings has proven to absorb a lot of energy.

Obviously a more sustainable and ecologically friendly would be to increase the population of CO2 converting microorganisms in the oceans to do it without human intervention, but for that we need to reduce the temp in the oceans first.

There isn't a single magic bullet.

There are dozens of things we could be doing, and sitting with our thumbs up our asses saying "oh woe is us, there's nothing we can do" isn't one of them.

[Elegiac]

Are you ready to tax Americans to pay Chinese to do that?

Sure. It's still less onerous than far higher costs involved in doing fuck all, if you're insisting on this bad faith argument.

"I shouldn't have to brush my teeth if my friend Billy doesn't because his parents are negligent" continues to be a moronic and childish worldview.

[Bodakane]

Lets here a real solution that fixes Climate change within 30 years then with current technology?

This is such an ignorant yet typical mentality that is part and parcel with conservative ideology.

"If it can't be fixed perfectly or be fixed by one piece of effort....then I'm justified in not wanting it." - All American Conservatives

[Shadowferal]

Are you ready to tax Americans to pay Chinese to do that? Because that is what it would take.

You wanted Americans to pay for a useless wall that was promised Mexico would pay for.

[Shalcker]

Sure. It's still less onerous than far higher costs involved in doing fuck all, if you're insisting on this bad faith argument.

Actually i'm serious. Do you think it can be worth it - that is, pouring your money into authoritarian governments to get carbon emissions fixed - and take priority over other considerations, geopolitical or humanitarian?

Or would American people/establishment rebel and elect someone else at first opportunity just to keep China down before they would consider that?

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You wanted Americans to pay for a useless wall that was promised Mexico would pay for.

Do you think working with China to fix carbon emissions is just as useless as The Wall?

[masterhorus8]

This is such an ignorant yet typical mentality that is part and parcel with conservative ideology.

"If it can't be fixed perfectly or be fixed by one piece of effort....then I'm justified in not wanting it." - All American Conservatives

Don't forget the "But what if it doesn't work? Then we wasted everything, so let's not even try."

[Elegiac]

Actually i'm serious. Do you think it can be worth it - that is, pouring your money into authoritarian governments

This is how I know you're not serious, because you're attacking a strawman by insinuating that people that want action on climate change support this. Rofl.

"If we take action on climate change that will just cripple us economically and send all our money to Chyna" is a stupid zero sum argument that isn't actually based on anything besides fearmongering from the fossil fuel sector.