Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[uuuhname]

The only reason she isn't fucking voting for it, is because she found out she can make fucking money from her shitty donors. She won't be in the senate for long after this bullshit.

if she manages to torpedo the pharmaceutical part of the bill you can rest assured even after she gets kicked to the curb she'll have a comfy lobbyist job waiting for her. this is the kind of stuff that makes people black pilled to politics in general.

[tehdang]

Well, that's what happens when the "American right" votes for fascists, racists, and sexists.

People are allowed to judge others for their actions.

Oh yeah, but when something close to half the country doesn’t agree with the assessment, don’t expect to ram through the legislation you want. There’s only so much cajoling that works after you call moderate Dems corporate sellouts and Republicans fascists, racists, and sexists.

Don’t whine about lack of compromise, that’s ludicrous with the current stances. Just try to win outright majorities next election cycle, and primary congressmen/senators that you think can be replaced with more ideologically aligned representatives. And it might be Sinema, AZ sometimes swings that way, but it definitely isn’t Manchin. West Virginia isn’t where you pick up a vote for a 3.5 tril bill.

[uuuhname]

not sure what math's you're using to claim 25% of the population that identifies as republican = half of the country.

[Endus]

Oh yeah, but when something close to half the country doesn’t agree with the assessment

What assessment? That they're racist, sexist, or fascist?

Yeah, they don't get to "disagree". It isn't a matter of subjective opinion. It's a matter of observable, objective fact.

Or rather; they can "disagree", but that just means they're also liars, because they're obviously wrong in that disagreement. They're also chickenshit cowards, because they won't own up to their own failures.

[Breccia]

What assessment? That they're racist, sexist, or fascist?

Yeah, they don't get to "disagree". It isn't a matter of subjective opinion. It's a matter of observable, objective fact.

I think the issue, is they disagree that being racist, sexist, or fascist is a bad thing. We are talking about people who defended literal torch-carrying Nazis.

[Endus]

I think the issue, is they disagree that being racist, sexist, or fascist is a bad thing. We are talking about people who defended literal torch-carrying Nazis.

Yeah, but they're also the people who say those labels are "overused" or "don't mean anything any more" or whatever. They clearly don't want to admit that they're smooth-brained sadistic abusers. They recognize that those -isms are "bad things", but they don't want to admit that their desired outcomes are also "bad things". They want to lie to themselves that they're the heroes of this story.

When they're the cartoonish Nazis in an Indiana Jones movie.

[tehdang]

not sure what math's you're using to claim 25% of the population that identifies as republican = half of the country.

If it’s the United States of America you’re talking about, then half the states senators aren’t buying what you’re selling. Now that’s fine if you have a campaign to call them all fascists, racists, and sexists: maybe you can do better next time and Americans buy into your description.

Until then, don’t whine when you can’t get what you want. Democrats gained three senate seats for 50-50 and lost 13 house seats for a narrow hold (now a majority of only 8). 3.5 tril price tag sounds like a 10 seat senate majority and a 20+ seat house majority, which can afford to lose moderates in competitive seats.

[Kaleredar]

If it’s the United States of America you’re talking about, then half the states senators aren’t buying what you’re selling. Now that’s fine if you have a campaign to call them all fascists, racists, and sexists: maybe you can do better next time and Americans buy into your description.

Until then, don’t whine when you can’t get what you want. Democrats gained three senate seats for 50-50 and lost 13 house seats for a narrow hold (now a majority of only 8). 3.5 tril price tag sounds like a 10 seat senate majority and a 20+ seat house majority, which can afford to lose moderates in competitive seats.

If they supported trump, then they’re either fascist or okay with fascism. Neither is a good look.

[uuuhname]

If it’s the United States of America you’re talking about, then half the states senators aren’t buying what you’re selling. Now that’s fine if you have a campaign to call them all fascists, racists, and sexists: maybe you can do better next time and Americans buy into your description.

Until then, don’t whine when you can’t get what you want. Democrats gained three senate seats for 50-50 and lost 13 house seats for a narrow hold (now a majority of only 8). 3.5 tril price tag sounds like a 10 seat senate majority and a 20+ seat house majority, which can afford to lose moderates in competitive seats.

whose whining about them? who the fuck CARES about them??? I have much more of a problem with so called democrats like Sinema and Manchin holding the entire country hostage then I do any rink-a-dink republicans.

like, stop pretending that the Democrat's weren't given the go ahead from the voting base that, you know, put them in charge? to go forward with a Democrat agenda. so you can act like we need to give a shit about the GOP. we don't, stop fooling yourself.

[Machismo]

Oh yeah, but when something close to half the country doesn’t agree with the assessment, don’t expect to ram through the legislation you want. There’s only so much cajoling that works after you call moderate Dems corporate sellouts and Republicans fascists, racists, and sexists.

Don’t whine about lack of compromise, that’s ludicrous with the current stances. Just try to win outright majorities next election cycle, and primary congressmen/senators that you think can be replaced with more ideologically aligned representatives. And it might be Sinema, AZ sometimes swings that way, but it definitely isn’t Manchin. West Virginia isn’t where you pick up a vote for a 3.5 tril bill.

I'm fine with resistance. I simply find it odd that people clutch at pearls for being described for what they are. I also find it hilarious that liberals expect the GOP to behave in a rational or decent fashion.

Their corruption is complete, and their decay is irreparable.

[Endus]

If it’s the United States of America you’re talking about, then half the states senators aren’t buying what you’re selling. Now that’s fine if you have a campaign to call them all fascists, racists, and sexists: maybe you can do better next time and Americans buy into your description.

Until then, don’t whine when you can’t get what you want. Democrats gained three senate seats for 50-50 and lost 13 house seats for a narrow hold (now a majority of only 8). 3.5 tril price tag sounds like a 10 seat senate majority and a 20+ seat house majority, which can afford to lose moderates in competitive seats.

Again, just empty gloating that fascists are gaining power. Not any kind of actual argument whatsoever.

[uuuhname]

Again, just empty gloating that fascists are gaining power. Not any kind of actual argument whatsoever.

not even gaining power but pissing away everyone's time with this fantasy that even in the face of an election where the republicans lost across the board somehow means we still need to take their positions into consideration, as if they have ever been interested in that when the situation was reversed. this is just more tedang gaslighting.

[JohnBrown1917]

If it’s the United States of America you’re talking about, then half the states senators aren’t buying what you’re selling. Now that’s fine if you have a campaign to call them all fascists, racists, and sexists: maybe you can do better next time and Americans buy into your description.

Until then, don’t whine when you can’t get what you want. Democrats gained three senate seats for 50-50 and lost 13 house seats for a narrow hold (now a majority of only 8). 3.5 tril price tag sounds like a 10 seat senate majority and a 20+ seat house majority, which can afford to lose moderates in competitive seats.

That is not how a democracy works.

[Draco-Onis]

If it’s the United States of America you’re talking about, then half the states senators aren’t buying what you’re selling.

Everything in the bill is wildly popular across all states especially the part where we raise taxes on the rich and corporations to pay for it. I also don't remember half of the country returning the checks from Biden or from the child tax credit, feel free to show otherwise.

3.5 tril price tag sounds like a 10 seat senate majority and a 20+ seat house majority, which can afford to lose moderates in competitive seats.

Just make believe it's a middle eastern war then I am sure you will be fine with doubling that price tag while not paying for it which this is. I am not sure why you are standing up for people like Jeff Bezos but I am sure he appreciates you looking after his gigantic bank account.

[Edge-]

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/09/...den-pedophile/

Congresswoman married to a child predator who plead guilty to exposing himself to minors, overtly implies that Biden is a pedophile in an attack using a bi-partisan baseball game, and is reminded that she's married to a child predator who plead guilty to exposing himself to minors.

Just a reminder: It's almost always projection.

[Levelfive]

Everything in the bill is wildly popular across all states especially the part where we raise taxes on the rich and corporations to pay for it. I also don't remember half of the country returning the checks from Biden or from the child tax credit, feel free to show otherwise.



Just make believe it's a middle eastern war then I am sure you will be fine with doubling that price tag while not paying for it which this is. I am not sure why you are standing up for people like Jeff Bezos but I am sure he appreciates you looking after his gigantic bank account.

Plus it's 3.5T over 10 years--just drop it down to 5, 6, 7 years which brings it in around ~1.5-2.5. The we'll find out if it's the really price tag Manchin was worried about. The thing is, it's very, very unlikely Manchin would cast a deciding vote to tank Biden's agenda. On the other hand, Sinema might enjoy that.

Still, I have a feeling Tehdang may be gloating a *bit* early on this one.

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https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/09/...den-pedophile/

Congresswoman married to a child predator who plead guilty to exposing himself to minors, overtly implies that Biden is a pedophile in an attack using a bi-partisan baseball game, and is reminded that she's married to a child predator who plead guilty to exposing himself to minors.

Just a reminder: It's almost always projection.

I'm convinced some of this is a particular type of trolling that we see on this board as well, where there's just enough irresistibly wrong in it that the left generates tons of attention for her. She also had the Tylenol one where she asked if everyone else could please also take Tylenol so hers could start working. Get it?!

[downnola]

If it’s the United States of America you’re talking about, then half the states senators aren’t buying what you’re selling. Now that’s fine if you have a campaign to call them all fascists, racists, and sexists: maybe you can do better next time and Americans buy into your description.

Until then, don’t whine when you can’t get what you want. Democrats gained three senate seats for 50-50 and lost 13 house seats for a narrow hold (now a majority of only 8). 3.5 tril price tag sounds like a 10 seat senate majority and a 20+ seat house majority, which can afford to lose moderates in competitive seats.

Wyoming has a smaller population than the city of Baltimore (600k). Montana has the population of a million and both states (and other midwestern, rural states) have the same power in the Senate as California.

Don't even get me started with the House.



That's Jim Jordan's district in Ohio that has been gerrymandered to hell and back. Republican seats in congress and the electoral college are a function of a skewed and broken system engineered to keep a minority in power. It's not an accurate representation of America at all.

[Edge-]

the Senate

As time progresses, it's increasingly clear that the role of the Senate is no longer relevant and that it's an abject impediment to actual progress and Congress getting anything done.

Seriously, the country has changed considerably since the Senate was created and it no longer really serves the original purpose it once did, instead now giving outsized power to whatever political party manages to win a ton of tiny states and have massively outsized influence in Congress as a result. Representation in a representative democracy should be proportional. Period. It doesn't stop the "tyranny of the majority", but it sure enforces the "tyranny of the minority" more often than not.

[downnola]

As time progresses, it's increasingly clear that the role of the Senate is no longer relevant and that it's an abject impediment to actual progress and Congress getting anything done.

Seriously, the country has changed considerably since the Senate was created and it no longer really serves the original purpose it once did, instead now giving outsized power to whatever political party manages to win a ton of tiny states and have massively outsized influence in Congress as a result. Representation in a representative democracy should be proportional. Period. It doesn't stop the "tyranny of the majority", but it sure enforces the "tyranny of the minority" more often than not.

I'd argue that it is serving it's original purpose. The Senate exists as a check on the House (the people) and was meant to be anti-democratic from it's conception. What we're seeing today is what it's always been and should absolutely be abolished. I wouldn't count on such a thing ever happening, though.

[Breccia]

Just a reminder: It's almost always projection.

Well, to be fair, there are some proven reports on the subject. I have a handy list lying around for some reason.

In the 1992 recording, a 46-year-old Trump asks a little girl if she’s going to go up an escalator. Then Trump turns to the camera and says, “I am going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?”

Shit, that one's Trump. My bad. I'll try again.

The Los Angeles Times unearthed this wire brief from the Chicago Tribune in December 1992, the same year the escalator video was taken.

After watching a youth choir sing carols, Trump asked two of the girls how old they were. When they said they were 14, Trump, who again was 46 at the time, said, “Wow! Just think — in a couple of years, I'll be dating you.”

Ah, dammit, that's Trump again. Another shot.

In 2003, Trump told shock-jock radio host Howard Stern that when he met Paris Hilton when she was 12, he noticed that she was “beautiful”:

Now, somebody who a lot of people don’t give credit to but is in actuality very beautiful is Paris Hilton. I’ve known Paris Hilton from the time she’s 12, her parents are friends of mine, and the first time I saw her she walked into the room and I said, ‘Who the hell is that?’ At 12, I wasn’t interested … but she was beautiful.

Ugh, this is getting really embarrasing. One more, this time for sure!

Five former Miss Teen USA contestants have told BuzzFeed News that Trump walked into their dressing room while girls as young as 15 were changing:

“I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, ‘Oh my god, there’s a man in here,’” said Mariah Billado, the former Miss Vermont Teen USA.

Trump, she recalled, said something like, “Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”

Man, it keeps coming up Trump. In fact, Trump has been formally accused of raping a child, yes, it was an Epstein thing. The charges were dropped because, you probably guessed, the victim was getting death threats...right around Nov 2016.

Incidentally, Team Trump is going to have a hard time playing the "Biden touches people without their consent" after (a) they had to fire Lewandowski for that and (b) "grab them by the pussy". We even have backstory on the most commonly misused Biden pic, and

After the clip went viral, Sen. Coons, a Democrat, told Fox News host Chris Wallace that Biden was simply offering her reassurance and that his daughter didn’t think he was creepy. Coons said that Biden, who held Coons’ Senate seat before resigning to serve as vice president, has known his children their whole lives.

"I could hear him," Coons said in the interview. "He was leaning forward and whispering some encouragement to her about how, when he was sworn in, his own daughter Ashley was 13 and she felt awkward and uncomfortable."

Trump's little girl moments? All complete strangers. Well maybe not Ivanka.

For the record, I don't think Trump is actually a pedophile. He likes big fake tits, which children don't have. It's just that, when the right wants to throw accusations around, they do seem to pick those when there's more evidence against them than for them, don't they? If we get proof from, say, any blackmail videos Epstein hid, I'll admit I was wrong. Until then, it's just so easy to take existing proven stories with Trump and the actual lack of story behind Biden and demolish the accusations one by one.

"But Breccia! Trump supports don't care about facts or evidence. They'll believe out of spite."

Yes, that's how suicide cults typically work. But the attacks will fail to win over moderates, independants, or international friends. The doctors picks and memes they're spewing might not be losing them support within the rabid fanbase, but I doubt it's making them any friends, either.