Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[uuuhname]

we can throw a billion dollars at Israel at the drop of a hat without blinking but god forbid anyone demand we spend the right amount of money on maintaining this crumbling country...

[NED funded]

A great night for the democratic party and the biden administration. Next week a tough one is coming. :fingerscrossed:

[uuuhname]

unless Joe Manchin decides to blame the zoomers for not signing off on that other bill. we should all consider his feelings above all else, obviously.

[NED funded]

we can throw a billion dollars at Israel at the drop of a hat without blinking but god forbid anyone demand we spend the right amount of money on maintaining this crumbling country...

Mantaining this country is literally what this bill is about

[uuuhname]

Mantaining this country is literally what this bill is about

it's going to take trillions on top of trillions to keep up with the way climate change is accelerating.

[beanman12345]

because it doesn't do enough to combat it... as if progressives have a reason to not spend money on domestic issues.... what???

Exxon infrastructure bill.

[NED funded]

Exxon infrastructure bill.

Zzzzzzzzz

Sorry but I am here for effective governance and not useless months long delays

[beanman12345]

Zzzzzzzzz

Sorry but I am here for effective governance and not useless months long delays

You and exxon party of 2 eh?

[NED funded]

Bush
Bowman
Ocasio-Cortez
Omar
PRESSLEY
Tlaib

Democrats that need to be primaried

[xmirrors]

Get fucked, squad.

[Levelfive]

Sorry I dont believe that tanking once in a generation legislation cuz you are mad about another bill is effective governance

The GOP votes that defected are the heroes of the night

This is ignorance of how this works--Nancy Pelosi doesn't bring bills to the floor unless she has the votes. They know exactly how many votes they have, which is why some get a "hall pass" to cast symbolic votes. They didn't tank anything and they got an agreement from moderates for a vote on reconciliation.

[Kaleredar]

Bush
Bowman
Ocasio-Cortez
Omar
PRESSLEY
Tlaib

Democrats that need to be primaried

You don't get to be perfectly okay with Republicans opposing any and all legislation on principle that they need to make democrats look bad and then suddenly pretend to care about efficient governance or whatever, much less stand by conservatives and then pretend you have legislative morals.


At any rate, and apart from the bad faith conservative posters trying to fist-pump about the republicans "successfully holding out against Biden and the democrats," I'll take something over nothing.

And hey, to all of those conservative posters trying to not-so-subtly gloat about the democrats supposedly failing to get what they want, just think of this bill can simply one of many to come.


And I'm just thinking out loud here, but speaking of "getting primaried," the GOP might have refused support of care for the elderly and for elderly care workers for this bill, but I'd imagine their opposition to that as a bill unto itself would look awfully bad to their largely aged voter base. And those GOP congresspeople will have a lot harder time framing such a straightforward bill as a "evil Biden socialist plan" as they did with this one.

I'm sure they're already drawing up that top-end corporate tax hike as a separate bill as well. I eagerly await that coming down the pike.

[NED funded]

I literally have no expectations of the GOP. I can only be glad when they manage to not be evil

[uuuhname]

You don't get to be perfectly okay with Republicans opposing any and all legislation on principle that they need to make democrats look bad and then suddenly pretend to care about efficient governance or whatever, much less stand by conservatives and then pretend you have legislative morals.

the self titled centrists on these boards really do come off as conservative republicans from the 70-80's right up until Reagan left office. that's how far to the right this country has drifted.

- - - Updated - - -

ahh, so as was pointed out earlier the reason progressives voted against BIF was exactly why everyone should assume Joe Manchin won't vote for the BBB bill unless his demands are met, GG moderates. progressives wanted BIF and BBB to be the same bill, but now one can go through and the other can still get held up, because of course that's how you effectively govern.... hand all the power to one asshole from West Virginia.

[Levelfive]

the self titled centrists on these boards really do come off as conservative republicans from the 70-80's right up until Reagan left office. that's how far to the right this country has drifted.

- - - Updated - - -

ahh, so as was pointed out earlier the reason progressives voted against BIF was exactly why everyone should assume Joe Manchin won't vote for the BBB bill unless his demands are met, GG moderates. progressives wanted BIF and BBB to be the same bill, but now one can go through and the other can still get held up, because of course that's how you effectively govern.... hand all the power to one asshole from West Virginia.

I'm still at 99% that this is happening, though I'm lowkey hoping Biden withholds his signature until he gets the other--it's unlikely, but would be awesome. Manchin can say whatever he wants publicly, but the fact that House moderates gave a firm commitment and Jayapal signed off on it signals they're confident they have the votes in the Senate, too.

[DingDongKing]

It’s funny seeing cosplay Democrats blaming the Progressive Caucus, when it’s Manchin and Sinema who are gutting Biden’s Presidency.

[Kaleredar]

I'm still at 99% that this is happening, though I'm lowkey hoping Biden withholds his signature until he gets the other--it's unlikely, but would be awesome. Manchin can say whatever he wants publicly, but the fact that House moderates gave a firm commitment and Jayapal signed off on it signals they're confident they have the votes in the Senate, too.

I doubt the circus that would surround that would be worth it, because I don't think it would actually push the legislation at all. I don't think the people who weren't going to budge... are going to budge if Biden doesn't sign it.

Biden has been able to skirt by almost all of the desperately-flung mud that the GOP has been slinging at him, but this supply chain stuff coupled with pandemic fatigue (no matter how little Biden actually has control over either of those things) is wearing on the American people. "Biden signs bipartisan infrastructure bill" is the headline most people will be reading, and there's little way to spin that badly.


Like I said, I think the democrats do better at this point in piecing together the left-out bits as their own bills proper. If Manchin and Sinema (and the GOP, but I'm not holding my breath that they or their voters will have a single shred of moral fiber in this) want to hold out, it'll be a lot more apparent what they're holding out on, such as: Why are they refusing to fund elderly care? Why are they opposing further infrastructure funding? Why are they opposed to raising revenues by closing corporate tax loopholes? Those were all things that were initially part of this bill that were pushed to the wayside, I'm assuming in some part due to their resistance.

They (and again, if it mattered to their voters, the GOP) can get away with "resisting" this sort of broad-sweeping bill by assuming their constituents will assume it contained a bunch of Bernie Sanders AOC evil socialist Hillary ANTIFA legislation. But more targeted bills wont be so easy to pass off as that, especially if the bill's elevator pitch is literally something like "fund elderly care."

[Masark]

I'm still at 99% that this is happening, though I'm lowkey hoping Biden withholds his signature until he gets the other

You do know that he can only do that for 10 days, right?

[Levelfive]

You do know that he can only do that for 10 days, right?

As a soft veto threat, like he did in June when he said he wouldn't sign it without the other. Kaleredar is right (words to live by) that Democrats need a legislative win and I'm pretty thrilled they got this part passed, along with a public commitment from moderates to pass the other. Democrats, surprising no one, did a terrible job of selling the BBB legislation, but I would still rather this now than a series of defeats via filibuster on each piece that won't even be allowed to get a debate, which will then be portrayed and perceived as 'wins' for Republicans since their constituents are always more interested in sticking it to the libs than doing anything that might help them or the country.

[DingDongKing]

As a soft veto threat, like he did in June when he said he wouldn't sign it without the other. Kaleredar is right (words to live by) that Democrats need a legislative win and I'm pretty thrilled they got this part passed, along with a public commitment from moderates to pass the other. Democrats, surprising no one, did a terrible job of selling the BBB legislation, but I would still rather this now than a series of defeats via filibuster on each piece that won't even be allowed to get a debate, which will then be portrayed and perceived as 'wins' for Republicans since their constituents are always more interested in sticking it to the libs than doing anything that might help them or the country.

If the Dems (collectively) want to make sure the midterms aren't a bloodbath, they need to push out legislation between now and Nov-2022 stat.

Cram as much through reconciliation as you can and get er done.