Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Felya]

Hey how many times did Trump sign the Patriot Act? I mean, you must be really upset if Trump signed the Patriot Act, which you claim is tyranny.

Why don't you say "I condemn Trump for signing the Patriot Act" right now?

I want a “walk away” thread or at least some mention of TDS. Pussy hats < insurrection with 4 dead people...

[infinitemeridian]

Fucking ironic coming from the supporter of a party that was trying to straight up overturn the results of an election it lost...

Not a Trump supporter lmao. I don't understand this mindset - wouldn't it be better to give the reigns of the party to someone who actually produces results and resonates with younger voters on progressive issues rather than someone who has a losing track record and only ticks the demographic boxes that Dems like to waive as some sort of substitution for actual policies and vision?

Or to put it simply - what has Harrison done that proves he's capable of moving the party in the right direction?

[Edge-]

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-bidens-...yments-1561764

Have y'all seen 'ol "Neoliberal Austerity Fan" Joe Biden's first stimulus plan?

$1.9 Trillion in total
$1,400 check to everyone to get to the $2K with the $600 being distributed now
$400 in additional unemployment benefits per week through September
$15/h federal minimum wage
Eviction/foreclosure moratorium
$350B to state and local governments to help make up for budget gaps for much needed services
$170B for schools
$50B for covid testing
$20B addition to the vaccine program
Expanded child tax credit

Just dreadful.

[Hadriker]

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-bidens-...yments-1561764

Have y'all seen 'ol "Neoliberal Austerity Fan" Joe Biden's first stimulus plan?

$1.9 Trillion in total
$1,400 check to everyone to get to the $2K with the $600 being distributed now
$400 in additional unemployment benefits per week through September
$15/h federal minimum wage
Eviction/foreclosure moratorium
$350B to state and local governments to help make up for budget gaps for much needed services
$170B for schools
$50B for covid testing
$20B addition to the vaccine program
Expanded child tax credit

Just dreadful.

Can't wait to hear the talking points about why this is bad for the country and the decifit hawks to come out of the woodwork

[Edge-]

Can't wait to hear the talking points about why this is bad for the country and the decifit hawks to come out of the woodwork

"Progressives" suddenly: WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE DEBT WE ARE PASSING ONTO OUR CHILDREN!

[Thepersona]

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-bidens-...yments-1561764

Have y'all seen 'ol "Neoliberal Austerity Fan" Joe Biden's first stimulus plan?

$1.9 Trillion in total
$1,400 check to everyone to get to the $2K with the $600 being distributed now
$400 in additional unemployment benefits per week through September
$15/h federal minimum wage
Eviction/foreclosure moratorium
$350B to state and local governments to help make up for budget gaps for much needed services
$170B for schools
$50B for covid testing
$20B addition to the vaccine program
Expanded child tax credit

Just dreadful.

It seems that he really wants to help americans (and maybe Bernie has rubed off of him) Good.

[DingDongKing]

• The cosplayers really hate the Dems for being the Party of Multiculturalism. Seeing women or minorities in positions of power makes them seethe more thana Ghostbusters reboot.
• Every four years, the South Carolina Primaries totally exposes that they do not understand the party or the electorate at all.
• Harrison is a pretty solid choice. Flipping the Carolinas for future races seems more probable than other options for expanding Democratic seats.
• Congress must follow through on establishing Voter Rights before 2022.

Bingo. Getting someone in who understands the South in a similar - but not as jaw droppingly effective - way to Stacey Abrams is a smart call. If the Dems want long term control of the Senate, they need to turn Philly, Wisconsin and another state fully blue. That’ll properly put pressure on the GOP.

[Zan15]

WOW it all but took 7 minutes for the comments sections of the internet to fill with comments of

"oh there goes joe bankrupting our country"
"where's he going to get all this money from"
"how can we afford more debt"

etc etc

after he released his stimulus plan

So freaking predictable after 7.8 trillion in debt in the last 4 years

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/14/bide...imum-wage.html

Here’s what Biden calls for:

Direct payments of $1,400 to most Americans, bringing the total relief to $2,000, including December’s $600 payments
Increasing the federal, per-week unemployment benefit to $400 and extending it through the end of September
Increasing the federal minimum wage to $15 per hour
Extending the eviction and foreclosure moratoriums until the end of September
$350 billion in state and local government aid
$170 billion for K-12 schools and institutions of higher education
$50 billion toward Covid-19 testing
$20 billion toward a national vaccine program in partnership with states, localities and tribes
Making the Child Tax Credit fully refundable for the year and increasing the credit to $3,000 per child ($3,600 for a child under age 6)


this is all great.
They should also exclude all those states whom cried about democrats wanting to bail out state govt since of course they don't need to be bailed out like the democratic run states....so we can just give the 350b to the states that need it. right guys, republicans said they didn't need it. Starting with Kentucky, Florida and Texas. Hey Elections have consequences right guys?

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Can't wait to hear the talking points about why this is bad for the country and the decifit hawks to come out of the woodwork

duh 1.9 trillion in debt......ummm....is way worse than 7.8 trillion! ummm math?

[Elegiac]

$1,400 check to everyone to get to the $2K with the $600 being distributed now

I'm just gonna say it.



Promising voters in Georgia 2k stimulus checks if they flip the Senate and then pulling legalese bullshit like this is bad optics. Especially when other countries have been affording payments to the tune of 2k a month since the crisis started.

[Elegiac]

Still short about $14k in back payments for the lack of any kind of stimulus from May to December.

Also this.

Do better, Congressional Democrats. This is milquetoast garbage more suited to the Clinton Era.

[Blur4stuff]

I don't blame people for thinking we were getting another 2k check on top of the 600. It would have been incredibly easy to think that's what was happening. They should just bump it to 2k. It's not as if people don't need it.

It doesn't matter if you explain to people that it's the 600 + 1400. It will cause friction and piss off a lot of voters while giving ammunition to haters. There's no reason not to avoid these problems. Bump it to 2k so it ends up being 2600 and move on to other business.

[Elegiac]

I don't blame people for thinking we were getting another 2k check on top of the 600. It would have been incredibly easy to think that's what was happening. They should just bump it to 2k. It's not as if people don't need it.

It doesn't matter if you explain to people that it's the 600 + 1400. It will cause friction and piss off a lot of voters while giving ammunition to haters. There's no reason not to avoid these problems. Bump it to 2k so it ends up being 2600 and move on to other business.

Sorry to be a socialist nag and all that, but yeah.

[Zan15]

I'm just gonna say it.



Promising voters in Georgia 2k stimulus checks if they flip the Senate and then pulling legalese bullshit like this is bad optics. Especially when other countries have been affording payments to the tune of 2k a month since the crisis started.

well if this is the worst thing that comes out of it....

if they didn't flip the senate the amount the would be getting is ZERO POINT ZERO

BUT I AM sure its already hit foxnews how bad biden is for not helping the people like he promised

[beanman12345]

I don't need 14k in backpay or 2k a month, but the 400 extra bringing it 700 a week in unemployment is really good, but that should definitely should be retroactive from when it went down to 300, because moratoriums mean jack when the piper still needs to be paid eventually. I mean 2k would be optimal yeah especially with how many are struggling, but it's also i feel wishful thinking in this political climate, 15 dollars an hour, imo really should be 23 dollars an hour, but again, wishful thinking.

[Elegiac]

well if this is the worst thing that comes out of it....

if they didn't flip the senate the amount the would be getting is ZERO POINT ZERO

BUT I AM sure its already hit foxnews how bad biden is for not helping the people like he promised

It's not just Fox.

Rep. Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) says Dems should pass $2K on top of the $600 from December, rather than add $1,400 to get $600 to $2K.

"$2,000 means $2,000. $2,000 does not mean $1,400,″

And I agree. Marginal fiscal savings at the cost of a lot of political goodwill and creating a vulnerability isn't a good way to start off the next legislative session.

This is such an easy political win even Joe Manchin's voters can understand it.

[Ivanstone]

I really don’t see how the Dems can afford to pay for this. The deficit will explode!

I have some suggestions:
Turf the Trump Tax Cuts
Treat Capital Gains Tax as the same as Income Tax
Greatly increase IRS and SEC funding
Luxury tax on anything made out of gold. Especially if it’s a toilet.

[beanman12345]

I really don’t see how the Dems can afford to pay for this. The deficit will explode!

I have some suggestions:
Turf the Trump Tax Cuts
Treat Capital Gains Tax as the same as Income Tax
Greatly increase IRS and SEC funding
Luxury tax on anything made out of gold. Especially if it’s a toilet.

good stuff, the last should add a extra caviet on golden toilets that get flushed a dozen times after each use requires exponential tax on each flush.

[PACOX]

1400 instead of 2,000 to "complete the 600" Talk about being out of touch.

Going to be interesting to see moderates govern without a clown they do look great.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I know you guys have a visceral hatred of Bernie Sanders, for some reason,

See, this is where the understanding of what's going on falls apart. Most Democrats/centrists/liberals don't hate or even oppose Bernie - It's Bernie's devout cult that acts exactly like Trump's cult, that is hated. They are some of the most unreasonable people on the face of the planet, and will curse your name if you are not on board with the leftist purity tests they throw out.

[cubby]

It's just ridiculous that people have been draining their savings for going on a year and the best these assholes can do is $2k.

Unshockingly, the United States fucked up the response to COVID in every single category. Even our thought process on this is fucked, even from the side of our better angels. Only a few Democrats argued that we should include ongoing monthly payments (like every other western country provided it's citizens) and that never got off the ground.

Did you know (this is for everyone, not you Vegas):

-Canada doesn't have any more ongoing COVID cases nation wide, and they are now socially engaging, within their provinces (with medical response teams headed to COVID hot-spots when they do happen
-New Zealand has a LOWER mortality rate in 2020 than previous years, overall

People make jabs at the Saudi government for pissing away the greatest national resource in the history of the world, but I think if history is allowed to be written objectively 200 years from now, the United States will actually get the overall award.