Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[uuuhname]

the real world: the SCOTUS is on track to dissolving the federal government as we know it.

this forum: "the Dems can do something! or can't do anything, depending on who I'm talking to, b-b-but plz give them your votes"

[Mekh]

the real world: the SCOTUS is on track to dissolving the federal government as we know it.

this forum: "the Dems can do something! or can't do anything, depending on who I'm talking to, b-b-but plz give them your votes"

Actually I'm sure Secret Government Ninja Assassins are already on their way to kill the CEO of Exxon, but Brandon obviously can't talk about it or it would give the surprise away.

[Kaleredar]

the real world: the SCOTUS is on track to dissolving the federal government as we know it.

this forum: "the Dems can do something! or can't do anything, depending on who I'm talking to, b-b-but plz give them your votes"

…I’m still not hearing any actual solutions.

[Fugus]

…I’m still not hearing any actual solutions.

Not fully a solution but bringing up Kavanaugh on charges of perjury and investigating his 230k+ in debt he had mysteriously paid off during his nomination would help.
As would actual charges against Thomas's wife for her actions and make an example of her would be another.

Wouldn't fix everything but it would deal out some level of accountability and remove at least 1 corrupt justice while force another to pay for their actions to an extent.

[uuuhname]

-Democrats cannot and will not do anything to address these problems.

-the system itself doesn't allow for the changes that needs to be made.

-fascist shit heads have control of the courts for the next 2 decades at least.

-the SCOTUS could very well end the US federal government.

-2024 is going to the be last year the US has free elections.

IDK how much more obvious I have to make it for you people, it seems to be willful ignorance at this point.

[DarkTZeratul]

Use of the right-wing nickname for Biden aside, the pot shots at Trump were for things he did, things he could control.

Admittedly, they were sometimes for things he couldn't control but insisted he would fix anyway, but that was only because he opened his mouth. Most presidents don't claim they can fix things that are entirely outside of their control.

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the real world: the SCOTUS is on track to dissolving the federal government as we know it.

this forum: "the Dems can do something! or can't do anything, depending on who I'm talking to, b-b-but plz give them your votes"

The fuck does SCOTUS have to do with this? The question was what you think Biden should, or even could, do to fix a worldwide increase in gas prices. Stop deflecting and answer the damn question.

[uuuhname]

The fuck does SCOTUS have to do with this? The question was what you think Biden should, or even could, do to fix a worldwide increase in gas prices. Stop deflecting and answer the damn question.

he can't do anything, he won't do anything. that's the point. why this is so hard to understand? him trying to pathetically goad oil companies to be less.... like the soul-less greedy corporations that they are, is just a dog and pony show for all of the Dems to tell themselves Biden hears you, and see's you.

it's a sick joke and you people cannot bully me into thinking Biden much less the entire Democratic party are worth a shit.

[DarkTZeratul]

he can't do anything, he won't do anything. that's the point.

"Can't do anything" and "won't do anything" are two very different things. There are plenty of things to complain about without picking up the GOP's absolutely bullshit attacks on him for things like gas prices that are entirely beyond his power to control.

[uuuhname]

"Can't do anything" and "won't do anything" are two very different things.

I genuinely fail to see how that's true when talking about the Democrat's. when the question becomes "what can the Democrat's do?" the answer I always get from you people is "nothing". so then my mind automatically drifts to why the fuck do we maintain these institutions when they are not equipped to meet the moment when it matters? and then of course the lazy cope of accusing me of using right wing talking points as if there isn't a political movement to Biden's left. not one that any of YOU want to compromise with, anyway...

[Santti]

I genuinely fail to see how that's true when talking about the Democrat's. when the question becomes "what can the Democrat's do?" the answer I always get from you people is "nothing". so then my mind automatically drifts to why the fuck do we maintain these institutions when they are not equipped to meet the moment when it matters? and then of course the lazy cope of accusing me of using right wing talking points as if there isn't a political movement to Biden's left. not one that any of YOU want to compromise with, anyway...

Yeah, that's the reality you have been handed with. But who else but the Democrats? They might be the bystanders as you are getting fucked, but it's definitely the Republicans that are ramming you up the ass.

Also, did you just say Biden is left?

[downnola]

I genuinely fail to see how that's true when talking about the Democrat's. when the question becomes "what can the Democrat's do?" the answer I always get from you people is "nothing". so then my mind automatically drifts to why the fuck do we maintain these institutions when they are not equipped to meet the moment when it matters? and then of course the lazy cope of accusing me of using right wing talking points as if there isn't a political movement to Biden's left. not one that any of YOU want to compromise with, anyway...

No, there isn't. The United States doesn't have a left-wing movement capable of "meeting the moment" any more than the liberals can. There's a reason liberals try appealing to center-right independents over the left: You can't rely on them to turn out in enough numbers to win elections. They can't rely on the center-right either because they're mostly closet conservatives that won't vote for Dems because of "woke identity politics" or some dumb bigoted shit, but that's where we are.

Democrats aren't ineffective and awful because of how they're run from the top-down. That's bullshit. They're awful because Americans are idiots that refuse to participate in the elections that would put the party in power and move them towards the left. Most states are lucky if turnout is higher than 20% of the eligible voting population for primary elections. If people want good governance that works for them they have to participate. They have to keep track of elections and actually show the fuck up to do their civic duty. Check the approval rates for any country with high voter participation and you'll see those voters actually like their governments and are better off in pretty much every metric as a result.

So yeah, the Democratic party is pretty embarrassing right now. But that's mostly due to apathetic and useless non-voters who have nothing else to offer but junk energy that is impossible to mobilize into anything capable of taking power from conservatives.

[jonnysensible]

Democrats aren't ineffective and awful because of how they're run from the top-down. That's bullshit. .

you can't seriously look at people who have been at the top of the dem party for 30 years and think they are doing a good job

[Draco-Onis]

you can't seriously look at people who have been at the top of the dem party for 30 years and think they are doing a good job

Democrats are doing a great job at being republicans, the United States has two right wing parties it's just the later is extreme right wing. Democrats job isn't to bring the country to the left but to keep it just right enough that's why they don't reverse uno all the changes republicans made in office. A prime example of this is the tax cuts neither Obama or Biden fully reversed their predecessors tax cut for the rich and that's by design.

[PC2]

https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status...TySOHn3L_-6XoQ

My message to the companies running gas stations and setting prices at the pump is simple: this is a time of war and global peril.

Bring down the price you are charging at the pump to reflect the cost you’re paying for the product. And do it now.

Ouch. Inflation is far too important a problem for the White House to keep making statements like this. It’s either straight ahead misdirection or a deep misunderstanding of basic market dynamics.

Bezos nails it...

[downnola]

you can't seriously look at people who have been at the top of the dem party for 30 years and think they are doing a good job

No, my point is that they're not the ones force-feeding centrists on the populace. The quality of the Democratic party falls solely on the voters that skip primary elections, which based on polling numbers is an embarrassing percentage of eligible voters across the board. The DNC would change just like the RNC would when Trump took over the Republican party. Party leaders are malleable depending on voter preferences, it's really that simple.

[Endus]

https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status...TySOHn3L_-6XoQ

Bezos nails it...

In what way, exactly?

The US government can seize assets like oil companies under circumstances like this, and nationalize them. If you were a shareholder, get fucked and fuck off; you get to go cry about it and get zero compensation. Your "market dynamics" can take a short hike off a long pier if the government decides it's more concerned about quality of life for its citizens than the growing bank accounts of the filthy rich.

Gas prices are rising because of exploitative oil barons. There's a reason those gas price hikes are directly in line with increased profits for said barons. If they were being forced to raise prices due to cost increases, there wouldn't be additional profits being made.

[Dontrike]

https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status...TySOHn3L_-6XoQ



Bezos nails it...

And he does that how, again?

[PC2]

In what way, exactly?

In terms of explaining why prices are at their current value.

The US government can seize assets like oil companies under circumstances like this, and nationalize them. If you were a shareholder, get fucked and fuck off; you get to go cry about it and get zero compensation. Your "market dynamics" can take a short hike off a long pier if the government decides it's more concerned about quality of life for its citizens than the growing bank accounts of the filthy rich.

It seems like Democrats don't even want anything like that. I think Joe Biden's Tweet is just virtue signalling and nothing more.

Gas prices are rising because of exploitative oil barons. There's a reason those gas price hikes are directly in line with increased profits for said barons. If they were being forced to raise prices due to cost increases, there wouldn't be additional profits being made.

You explain almost all social phenomena in terms of there being an evil group of rich people who are exploiting everyone else. This is not how serious people interpret the economy.

[Endus]

In terms of explaining why prices are at their current value.

No, Bezos is lying. Prices are rising because of Capitalist profiteering and greed, not much else.

It seems like Democrats don't even want anything like that. I think Joe Biden's Tweet is just virtue signaling and nothing more.

And? Bezos' tweet is still wildly disinformative by deflecting from that possibility.

You explain almost all social phenomena in terms of there being an evil group of rich people who are exploiting everyone else. This is not how serious people interpret the economy.

It's also not what I said, and we're also not talking about a "social phenomena" here in the first place. We're talking about inflation. And we can pretty easily see that profits are hitting record highs at the same times that inflation is spiking. That's a direct deduction so blatant it doesn't warrant further explanation; the higher prices mean more profits are being made, meaning that they are at least in part profiteering by capitalists. QED.

[Shadowferal]

https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status...TySOHn3L_-6XoQ Bezos nails it...

...aww...'Buyer's Remorse'?

Aaron Huertas, former communications director for the U.S. House Select Committee on the Climate Crisis, said: "The billionaires are on Twitter and constantly setting themselves up to be trolled.

"Nobody wants to hear about gas prices from an out-of-touch union-busting wannabe space cowboy."