Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Blur4stuff]

I don't think you'll find many people caring too much if Biden tried to force gas prices down. But isn't this just what the Saudis are claiming? According to the NBC article they aren't even claiming it, actually. They're "suggesting" Biden might have. So in reality, we have no clue what was actually said. We'd need to see a transcript or audio to really judge.

This is probably why it isn't that big of a deal. And, as it was already pointed out, what Trump did was threaten to put millions of lives in danger to help himself personally. That's quite different.

[callipygoustp]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna52037
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I mean that’s virtually the same scenario that got Trump impeached the first go round.

Illuminate more please.

[tehdang]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna52037



Are we really not going to talk about this? This story is days old, I figured somebody would have posted something about this. Not even some kind of shady conspiracy site source, this is NBC News highlighting the implications of this story that was first reported in the WSJ. Biden asking the Saudi’s to delay oil production cut until after the US midterm and then threatening ‘consequences’ in a later interview after the cuts were announced.

I mean that’s virtually the same scenario that got Trump impeached the first go round.

They’ll always claim this was done to lessen impact of high fuel prices, not conduct foreign policy pressure to boost political outcomes in the midterms. Same goes to Democratic congressmen seeking to withhold arms sales unless OPEC increases production. Party leadership has enough plausible deniability in any case. For actual impeachments of the kind Trump suffered over a phone call, wait until Republicans regain the House.

[Breccia]

For actual impeachments of the kind Trump suffered over a phone call

You spelled "blackmail" wrong.

[Edge-]

I mean that’s virtually the same scenario that got Trump impeached the first go round.

It's literally nothing like that scenario at all and conservatives desperately and pathetically pushing this angle really are sad.

The biggest complaint is, "Biden tried to keep gas prices lower for a bit longer to save Americans some money." which like, oh heavens be what a fuckin asshole.

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For actual impeachments of the kind Trump suffered over a phone call, wait until Republicans regain the House.

You mean threatening to hold Congressionally mandated aid to a foreign country unless that country publicly investigated a political rival? That phone call?

Or are we lying about this one, too?

[Endus]

For actual impeachments of the kind Trump suffered over a phone call

That's as dishonest a framing as claiming that the Uvalde shooter was only being prosecuted for "exerting his 5th Amendment rights".

Trump wasn't impeached for a phone call. He was impeached for what he tried to use that phone call to do.

[Breccia]

That's as dishonest a framing as claiming that the Uvalde shooter was only being prosecuted for "exerting his 5th Amendment rights".

"All Alex Jones did was say things".

[NED funded]

Mr Biden you are so based

The sanctions require any U.S. citizen working in the Chinese semi industry to quit their jobs, or be at risk of losing U.S. citizenship.

https://www.benzinga.com/government/...ion-looks-like

<3

[postman1782]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna52037



Are we really not going to talk about this? This story is days old, I figured somebody would have posted something about this. Not even some kind of shady conspiracy site source, this is NBC News highlighting the implications of this story that was first reported in the WSJ. Biden asking the Saudi’s to delay oil production cut until after the US midterm and then threatening ‘consequences’ in a later interview after the cuts were announced.

I mean that’s virtually the same scenario that got Trump impeached the first go round.

Did we talk about it when Trump did the same fucking thing? It means absolutely nothing. And no, it isn't the same fucking thing Trump got impeached for when he denied funding to Ukraine that Congress had already allocated, there is no money changing hands here.

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They’ll always claim this was done to lessen impact of high fuel prices, not conduct foreign policy pressure to boost political outcomes in the midterms. Same goes to Democratic congressmen seeking to withhold arms sales unless OPEC increases production. Party leadership has enough plausible deniability in any case. For actual impeachments of the kind Trump suffered over a phone call, wait until Republicans regain the House.

Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine to give him dirt on Joe Biden that wasn't fucking there. Congress allocated some $400 million to Ukraine for weapons to use against Russia, and Trump withheld it, which he cannot do, it is specifically against the constitution as extortion and the separation of powers from Executive to Legislative branch.

[Kaleredar]

I mean that’s virtually the same scenario that got Trump impeached the first go round.

They’ll always claim this was done to lessen impact of high fuel prices, not conduct foreign policy pressure to boost political outcomes in the midterms. Same goes to Democratic congressmen seeking to withhold arms sales unless OPEC increases production. Party leadership has enough plausible deniability in any case. For actual impeachments of the kind Trump suffered over a phone call, wait until Republicans regain the House.

Describe, in detail, the sequence of events that occurred in both these scenarios.

Then, review your work to see whether they're actually the same or not.

We'll let you know if you missed anything, champ.

[Edge-]

Did we talk about it when Trump did the same fucking thing?

Trump absolutely did not do the same thing in any way, shape, or form. Biden made a request, one that arguably would help his party politically in the upcoming elections, but a request that would have benefitted everyone in America who pays for gas.

That's it. There was no Congressionally mandated aid that he was holding hostage until Saudi Arabia announced a public investigation into his political rival about a mostly made-up story that literally would have only benefitted his electoral efforts.

Don't even hint at the two being remotely equitable in terms of what was done. What Biden did was routine and inoffensive. What Trump did was not.

[Nastard]

Oh shit, this thread made me realize I should be in jail for committing the same offense as Jeffrey Dahmer. I once ate a burger in Milwaukee and that's "virtually" the same scenario.

[Dontrike]

For actual impeachments of the kind Trump suffered over a phone call, wait until Republicans regain the House.

Wow, what you said is completely moronic. "Just a phone call" is one hell of a way to boil down fucking blackmail to force a country to help a president against a political opponent. We can practically see the red hat on you right now, go shill somewhere else.

[s_bushido]

Wow, what you said is completely moronic. "Just a phone call" is one hell of a way to boil down fucking blackmail to force a country to help a president against a political opponent. We can practically see the red hat on you right now, go shill somewhere else.

Does the troll really think that serious crimes can't be committed over the phone? Fascinating.

[Kathranis]

"Democrats are trying to do things to help people, that's election interference!"

Dumbest take I've seen on this forum in quite some time.

[Fugus]

Could just remind him of how Trump allowed a US Journalist to be killed and dismembered in exchange for cheap gas and a gun purchase.

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Also, not sure where else to put this but something worth bringing up if it hasn't already.

Some Republicans are talking about if they take the house back trying to exploit the debt ceiling to get Medicare and Social Security reclassified from mandatory to discretionary so that it has to be reauthorized every year which opens up the options for them to exploit that for further concessions and slowly start cutting it and eventually just not reauthorize it if they can.

https://about.bgov.com/news/entitlem...bt-limit-deal/

Would hope they wouldn't be fucked up enough to damage the entire nation and hold it hostage but we already seen them do exactly that multiple times with their shut downs and how much they have tried to protect terrorists who openly attacked the nation.

[Edge-]

Also, not sure where else to put this but something worth bringing up if it hasn't already.

Some Republicans are talking about if they take the house back trying to exploit the debt ceiling to get Medicare and Social Security reclassified from mandatory to discretionary so that it has to be reauthorized every year which opens up the options for them to exploit that for further concessions and slowly start cutting it and eventually just not reauthorize it if they can.

https://about.bgov.com/news/entitlem...bt-limit-deal/

Would hope they wouldn't be fucked up enough to damage the entire nation and hold it hostage but we already seen them do exactly that multiple times with their shut downs and how much they have tried to protect terrorists who openly attacked the nation.

"We want to ratfuck social services while blaming the other party for it, because we know how deeply unpopular our parties policy of ratfucking social services actually is."

Seriously, the Republican party consistently runs a deeply unpopular platform when they're actually honest.

If they manage this, I hope Biden refuses to sign and rightfully places blame on Republicans for trying to kill seniors and the most vulnerable amongst us.

Kevin McCarthy wants to set up death panels to kill grandma!

[Rasulis]

lol @ Bidens new sanctions. 'China’s semiconductor manufacturing industry was reduced to zero overnight. Complete collapse. No chance of survival.'

RIP CCP BOZOS

IP theft works on, wait for it, IP. You can't steal manufacturing process.

Case in point, China could not even manufacture its own ballpoint pen tips until 2017. For decades it had to import those tiny steel balls from Japan, Switzerland and Germany.

Finally, China manufactures a ballpoint pen all by itself

It took 5 years of research.

One wonder why the country is falling further behind in the semiconductor race.

[Endus]

"We want to ratfuck social services while blaming the other party for it, because we know how deeply unpopular our parties policy of ratfucking social services actually is."

Seriously, the Republican party consistently runs a deeply unpopular platform when they're actually honest.

At some point, there's needs to be a serious analytical study into whether Republican voters support Republican candidates because they believe these lies, or because of a deeper allegiance to the actual policymaking of Republicans, which is all about oppression and subjugation of minorities and supporting the wealthy and corporations.

Because I'm increasingly convinced it isn't actually that all Republicans are so stupid as to fall for this shit. I think they know it's all dogwhistles and cover stories. And the rest of society needs to stop giving them any leeway to claim otherwise.

It's so fucking chickenshit to hide your agenda like this, because you can't handle honest criticism and need that thin veneer of denial.

[cubby]

Also, not sure where else to put this but something worth bringing up if it hasn't already.

Some Republicans are talking about if they take the house back trying to exploit the debt ceiling to get Medicare and Social Security reclassified from mandatory to discretionary so that it has to be reauthorized every year which opens up the options for them to exploit that for further concessions and slowly start cutting it and eventually just not reauthorize it if they can.

https://about.bgov.com/news/entitlem...bt-limit-deal/

Would hope they wouldn't be fucked up enough to damage the entire nation and hold it hostage but we already seen them do exactly that multiple times with their shut downs and how much they have tried to protect terrorists who openly attacked the nation.

If the GQP ever takes both the House/Senate and the White House back in the same election year, or gains control of both branches at the same time, they will fuck this country over six ways to Sunday. And since they already control SCOTUS - we'll be truly fucked for at least a generation.

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At some point, there's needs to be a serious analytical study into whether Republican voters support Republican candidates because they believe these lies, or because of a deeper allegiance to the actual policymaking of Republicans, which is all about oppression and subjugation of minorities and supporting the wealthy and corporations.

Because I'm increasingly convinced it isn't actually that all Republicans are so stupid as to fall for this shit. I think they know it's all dogwhistles and cover stories. And the rest of society needs to stop giving them any leeway to claim otherwise.

It's so fucking chickenshit to hide your agenda like this, because you can't handle honest criticism and need that thin veneer of denial.

This. Entirely. GQP voters are either willfully ignorant, so stupid as to fall for these continued lies, or a dangerous combination of both. Either way they are morally and politically bankrupt, in every category that matters.