Last edited by Varodoc; 2020-11-23 at 06:35 PM.
The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!
Something's gonna happen with Turalyon and Alleria but we'll have to see what it is. If only one of them will bring harm I think it'll be Turalyon but it's more likely they'll both be the cause of some bad stuff. That doesn't mean they won't work to undo it but yeah. Just my feelings.
What about every Shadow Priest that's been in the Alliance and Horde? Aren't we all fighting on the side of good? Is that not weaponizing Void for the sake of goodness?
And there is a single instance of Void being a force of good now. Alleria. She is arguably doing what Illidan did with Fel magic. Use it to fight evil and those that threaten Azeroth and its people.
The Light can be just as cruel and unsympathetic when we really think about it. We have examples of that with Scarlet Crusade and Yrel's Army of the Light. It's really up to the individuals who use and control the force, not simply the force itself.
If we really get down to it, all types of magic ends up corrupting or being corrupted.
Arcane is addicting
Fel is corrupting
Light blinds with fanatacism
Void causes madness
Nature and Wild magic is prone to corruption by fel/void/old gods
We've had examples of it all being bad in one way or another, we simply weaponize what we have for the sake of good.
Well with the new information we learned about the Nathrezim.. that golden dreadlord knows shit...
The light can be seductive.. lets heal your scars, i will forge you a new one, I will help you type of.comments feel very seductive. Illidan wasnt believing it.. but Turalyon obviously fell for it. Hes still human afther all. Hes way more bathed in light than uther for example.
So Alleria isn't an example of what i'm saying. She's not the void, she's using the void. What I'm saying is i've never see the void itself motivate a user to do good. Alleria's example is the complete opposite. She's bending an otherwise evil force to use it for good.
Again we are looking at this particular case where she specifically is delving deeper into it, which makes her more susceptible of being corrupted in the future.
Read my comment above. She is a naaru right? With not much between that and the light.. she is sort of a beacon of the light. So I dont think that differences is that big.
I am not sure if we had the confirmations of the lightlords, but I am pretty positive I read it in an interview. Making it so that the light lords are above the naaru.
Last edited by Alanar; 2020-11-23 at 06:46 PM.
Again she's a Naaru, that wasn't the light itself doing that. Most Naarus' aren't doing that. In fact other that Xe'ra and alternate Xe'ra there isn't any other instance of such a thing occurring. Besides she was doing what she thought was right, and she was actually healing him, not driving him crazy or any of the number of crazy things the void tends to do.
Uhm... there is an entire race using the Void for good and there are Shadow and Discipline Priests and Warlocks in part also using it for good. @Varodoc is completely right, the Void is as evil as any other weapon. Yes it can corrrupt if you let it, but so can the Light as Yrel clearly shows.
Magic doesn't actually make anyone do anything. It's arguable that Void causes madness, but it's mainly a story tool just to associate it as a dark and mysterious power that should not be taken lightly.
It's not about magic corrupting people as much as people abusing the use of magic and corrupting themselves. This sort of power-hunger exists in all forms of magic, and stems from the individual more than it does from the source of magic itself.
Even Shamanism has its dark examples, like Ner'zhul using it to tap into the Dark Star or the Dark Shaman we face in Siege of Orgrimmar. The only difference is that we have lore saying people who use Dark magic are crazy because of the magic; Alleria's story is the first time we've had lore telling otherwise and it frames what we know of Void magic as not being that different than Light; just not wholly understood the same way. And if it you can't come to accept that truth/reality, you would go mad through it, but it's not a madness that automatically causes one to do 'evil'. Evil is subjective in its own right, and our own observation is limited by only having known dark practitioners of void magic who are crazy. That image is changing with the introduction of the Void Elves.
Same can be said of Fel magic absolutely corrupting and all that. Fel was absolutely associated with evil, until Warcraft 3 established instances where it can also be used for good; primarily through Grom and Illidan. Now we're at a point where we have multiple accounts of fel-touched races that have done good; Green Orcs, Blood Elves, Demon Hunters, Broken Draenei even good Satyrs. The lore isn't static when it comes to what magic 'inherently' is. The lore is simply limiting our information of what we should expect, and it changes those expectations for the sake of the story. Look at how Shadowlands is changing how we view Arthas now, after being told for so many years that he was singularly responsible for being the one in control, for being super-evil.
Last edited by Triceron; 2020-11-23 at 06:49 PM.
I think you missed the point of that cinematic.
Xera pushed Illidan when he said no. This was a side we never saw before. It might seem like she is healing him.
I dont think I would call it. Like that. Illidan literally said: I traded power for freedom before. She was highly seductive realy.. and she was a beacon of 100% light. Who is probably ordered by her boss(lets say a light lord) to bath illidan in light to have a powerfull ally. Seems realy obvious.
She clearly operates out of the light.
Last edited by Alanar; 2020-11-23 at 06:50 PM.
I undersand what you are trying to say here but the void has whispers. That's not debatble. No other form of magic has a porperty that actively tries to corrupt you other than maybe fel. The other examples are people who had questionable motivations and upon recieving said power are twisted even further.
The void actively tries to corrupt you. It's an external force that does not originate from the individual.
These whispers constantly speak to the users of the void and said user has to ward against it otherwise they are either corrupted, driven mad, killed or any combination of the above. So, no the effects of the void is not an internal battle that begins with the user, its an external one that comes from the void itself and affects every user to different degrees. And we are show in game and in lore the more the said user gives into the void, the stronger these voices become.
Now if the user is already evil, this can increase the effects.
I imagine in a Void expansion she'll vanish (possibly doing something shifty as well) and one of the plot hooks is whether she's "evil" or not. In the end she won't be and did everything she did for some greater purpose.