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    Quote Originally Posted by Yizu View Post
    Do people actually use side buttons for main abilities? Ive had 12 side buttons for years but ive never gotten used to using it for main abilities, ive used them for autorun, buffing, drinking, mounting and stuff you only use outside combat. It just feels ALOT slower than using a keyboard. But thats me.
    On most characters, no, not for my primary abilities. I use them for interrupts, triggering trinkets or procs, emergency cooldowns, and other utility. I have small hands so modifiers don't work well for me and there are finite keys I can reach without having to move my hand a lot. If I can't comfortably reach a keybind I risk not being able to hit it fast enough when I need to. The side button mouse have been a lifesaver for that kind of stuff. But my main abilities that I'm hitting constantly are still usually the number keys on my keyboard.

    Healer is the exception, but it's a big one since my Horde main is heals. On my healers I use every single side button, some with modifiers even so I can double up, for everything in my toolkit. On a raid night I might never hit a keyboard key in combat.
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Chumahki View Post
    I also don't use WASD, I use ESDF. This leaves my hand in the normal, traditional keyboard position and puts my pinkie on the A key instead of the useless Caps Lock. Bound them that way back in EverQuest and have never looked back. The useful little bump on the F key makes it easy to move my hand and return to the proper place quickly and reliably without looking.
    Thats even better, you got more keys around your "WSAD".

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    It's personal preference. I used to use the Naga Razer Hex, then it broke and they screwed up the second version by making it bigger. Now I use the G502.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    I dont think its ever good to bind any major ability to a combination of buttons.
    High frequency of use (0-12s) -> closer to WSAD, no modifiers
    Normal frequency use (12-45s) -> further from wsad
    Medium frequency (45-120s) -> buttons + modifier, side mouse buttons
    Occasional (120+) -> side mouse buttons

    And you greatly underestimating how often i use mousewheel for zoom. I use it more often than my abilities so doing it for modifier would be actually backwards.
    Dude, you're not getting it. You may "think" it's a bad idea, but I can demonstrate through play that it isn't. It is literally no harder for me to hit alt+a (my mount key) than it is to hit, say 3 or 4 or r or z. It's easier than hitting 5 with my fingers. Shift+mousewheel down, which is where I put my taunt is another combo I use often that that's no harder than pressing any other key. I don't have to think or position my hand or anything, it just happens - all I think is taunt and my hands have already done it.

    Sure, you can make bad key combos, but why do that? You don't need ctrl+shift+g or whatever that's actually hard to hit.

    I really doubt that I'm wrong re: zoom, but maybe you have a unique play style that makes that true, or main a class with where even the main rotational abilities aren't used that often (there are some).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chumahki View Post
    I also don't use WASD, I use ESDF. This leaves my hand in the normal, traditional keyboard position and puts my pinkie on the A key instead of the useless Caps Lock. Bound them that way back in EverQuest and have never looked back. The useful little bump on the F key makes it easy to move my hand and return to the proper place quickly and reliably without looking.
    Yeah I know a couple of people who do that - I think my wife uses either that or the rarely-seen ASDX. I've wondered if SDFC would also be viable and access even more keys more easily.
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    Keybinds are such a personal preference kind of thing that arguing about them is silly.

    As long as someone can hit what they need to hit comfortably, quickly, and reliably, it doesn't matter what they are, whether that is on a mouse or a keyboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    Dude, you're not getting it. You may "think" it's a bad idea, but I can demonstrate through play that it isn't. It is literally no harder for me to hit alt+a (my mount key) than it is to hit, say 3 or 4 or r or z. It's easier than hitting 5 with my fingers.
    I am getting it, hitting a combo requires you to use two fingers when hitting one button... well, just one finger. This is a fact. No matter what your reflexes are, it is impossible for human to perform, with the same efficiency, more complex routine than a simpler routine, simply because humans makes errors.

    And it is more straining for wrist and fingers, this is a fact.

    You can bind stuff like you want but I will never recommend anyone to use combo keys for anything shorter than 1m.

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    from a dps perspective, anything with multiple buttons on the thumbside. going from a standard mouse to a naga will give you an exceptional increase. there's just no comparison

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    I am getting it, hitting a combo requires you to use two fingers when hitting one button... well, just one finger. This is a fact. No matter what your reflexes are, it is impossible for human to perform, with the same efficiency, more complex routine than a simpler routine, simply because humans makes errors.

    And it is more straining for wrist and fingers, this is a fact.

    You can bind stuff like you want but I will never recommend anyone to use combo keys for anything shorter than 1m.
    You don't understand how the human body works on a very basic level. You think it's like a robot or something. I am not the one to clue you in when you apparently managed to dodge that information, I guess. I suppose you think it's easier to hop on one leg than walk, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinpachi View Post
    from a dps perspective, anything with multiple buttons on the thumbside. going from a standard mouse to a naga will give you an exceptional increase. there's just no comparison
    If that were the case, every top DPS and PvPer in WoW would use that kind of mouse - I very much doubt they actually do.
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    I've had Razer Naga Trinity. It's very cool because of interchangeable side panels although my LMB broke after about a year (it was randomly releasing). Next one I bought is Corsair Scimitar which I use right now and I have to highly recommend it so far, seems better made than Razer one although Corsair software to config the mouse is worse imo.
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  10. #110
    My Logitech G700s just broke and they don't sell it anymore
    The new Logitech mouses have less buttons and i don't like the "mmo mouses" with those huge block of buttons
    So i went for a Steel Series rival 500 just for playing WoW and i'll buy something cheep for rechargeable use

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    I prefer the Razer Naga Trinity/Epic. 12 buttons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    You don't understand how the human body works on a very basic level. You think it's like a robot or something. I am not the one to clue you in when you apparently managed to dodge that information, I guess. I suppose you think it's easier to hop on one leg than walk, too.
    Classic strawman. Humans were built to use two legs but they weren't build to push two buttons at once (technically pushing buttons function wasn't in design at all), not to mention you actually have to push one button slightly earlier.

    It is you who don't understand basic body functions but its ok, you can see how your theory works in notepad, try pressing shift + a super fast and you will sometimes see small "a" instead of capital "A".

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    Not one of those horrible side multi-button grid mice at the very least, they feel horrible on the thumb.

    My favourite right now is Kain 120 or 200.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GnomeEU View Post
    I had the Logitech mmo mouse and it broke quickly. So yeah. What's a good mouse if you spend 100 bucks and it breaks after a few months...
    Sometimes it's just bad luck...I bought mine used and mine has lasted me for almost all of 2020

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    I recently bought Logitech G600 and it works like a charm. It's pretty plain in design, and that's how I like it.
    Seconded. I love the mouse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    You don't understand how the human body works on a very basic level. You think it's like a robot or something. I am not the one to clue you in when you apparently managed to dodge that information, I guess. I suppose you think it's easier to hop on one leg than walk, too.

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    If that were the case, every top DPS and PvPer in WoW would use that kind of mouse - I very much doubt they actually do.
    way to use the outliers to argue for the norm.

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    I have a Corsair Scimitar RGB Pro or whatever.

    Honestly, I don’t use the mouse side buttons on most classes. And when I do, Ive only bound infrequent used spells like Summoning Portal or Soulstone to them, buttons I don’t have to press very often.

    It is just a really inconvenient and uncomfortable placement compared to using keyboard keybinds, which are both quicker and more natural to use. Or so I feel.

    Hopefully, it’s different for everyone.

    Most MMO mice also seem to develop a problem with left clicking. Or maybe that is just a Razer issue in general. Awful brand either way. Don’t recommend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chumahki View Post
    I also don't use WASD, I use ESDF
    I found a fellow ESDF user!

    The main problem with the Scimitar is that it is so tiny. Almost as small as a Naga.
     

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    had a thread about this recently on this forum. And bought a corsair mmo mouse.

    But to make it easy for you here are some tips/warnings:

    - they break faster as regular gaming and normal mice
    - some have coating problems.
    - double click can and most likely will apear in a few years
    - once you go mmo, going back is hard. Even in shooters they are handy. your thumb is real handy in most cases to hit the buttons. and it saves you travel space to hit a macro/key on your keyboard.
    - high price does not mean good mice
    - look at what your grip is!!! ( google mouse grip)



    that aside.
    Naga some people like some people love. But for me they brake to fast. And most people still have problems with the software being very, very bad. but it has many options both in the mice and software.

    corsair some people have problems with the moveable side pad. But other then that its a fine mouse ( so far). software is nice, but a bit weird sometimes. Cool thing about the software is that it can control a lot of the rgb in your system. no weights though. ( for me its heavy/light enough).

    logitech solid build quility so far. my illumanated keyboard is 11 years old and its still rocking. Mouse wise also solid build. But less options software wise ( last time i checked). and the mice are sometimes very big.


    To advice what to pick?
    I would say do these things:
    - look up what grip you have
    - look up to cost/delivery ability of the mice
    - and look up the software.

  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghitza View Post

    I tried Corsair too but i do not like the side buttons. They are too low and it`s hard to use side buttons 1 and 4.
    I don’t get to decide if someone is using a product incorrectly and all, it’s for them, but you do know that you can slide the button grid to have it adjusted to your preferred position? It comes with the tool and you loosen it on the underside, set it, re-fasten it.
     

  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by tetrisGOAT View Post
    I don’t get to decide if someone is using a product incorrectly and all, it’s for them, but you do know that you can slide the button grid to have it adjusted to your preferred position? It comes with the tool and you loosen it on the underside, set it, re-fasten it.
    I know but still, it was too low (i even forced it a little high than normal).

    But good news for me. Razer just released Naga Pro https://www.razer.com/gaming-mice/ra...-03420100-R3U1

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