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    https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1453021349694279690

    Its cases like this that also make me doubt even the majority of jan 6 attackers will see any sort of justice. They are the same sort of people the justice system is somehow hellbent on protecting.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/20...its-aftermath/

    Too lazy to properly format this, but copy of the key findings at least below (there are direct links for deeper dives on each section inside) -

    The Washington Post today released a three-part investigation into the forces that led to the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 and the growing distrust in America’s elections that has spread in its aftermath. “The Attack: Before, During and After” reveals through new reporting how law enforcement officials failed to heed warnings of impending violence in Washington, documents the bloody consequences of President Donald Trump’s inaction during the siege and shows how a deep distrust of the voting process has taken root across the country.

    “An event of the magnitude of the Capitol attack demands deep and revelatory reporting,” said Matea Gold, national political enterprise and investigations editor. “This newsroom-wide collaboration provides our readers with a definitive account of Jan. 6 and its lasting impact on American democracy.”

    “The Attack: Before, During and After” lays out striking new details about the cascade of warnings law enforcement officials received before Jan. 6 and uses social media posts, text messages, videos and photographs to show how Trump radicalized his supporters and mobilized them to action. The project also features voicemails of threats made against election officials around the country, and includes intimate reporting about six individuals whose lives were affected by Jan. 6.

    More than 75 journalists in the Post newsroom contributed to The Attack, including more than 25 reporters. The findings are based on interviews with more than 230 people and thousands of pages of court documents and internal law enforcement reports, along with hundreds of videos, photographs and audio recordings.

    Readers can access “The Attack” on The Post’s website and across Post platforms: www.wapo.st/theattack.

    Before: Red flags

    Law enforcement agencies fail to heed mounting warnings before Jan. 6 as Trump propels his supporters to Washington, many with the intent to commit violent acts.

    Key findings:

    Law enforcement officials did not respond with urgency to a cascade of warnings about violence on Jan. 6

    Alerts were raised by local officials, FBI informants, social media companies, former national security officials, researchers, lawmakers and tipsters.
    The FBI received numerous warnings about Jan. 6, but felt many of the threatening statements were “aspirational” and could not be pursued. In one tip on Dec. 20, a caller told the bureau that Trump supporters were making plans online for violence against lawmakers in Washington, including a threat against Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah). The agency concluded the information did not merit further investigation and closed the case within 48 hours.
    One of the biggest efforts to come out of Sept. 11, 2001 — a national network of multi-agency intelligence centers — spotted a flood of Jan. 6 warnings, but federal agencies did not show much interest in its information.
    The FBI limited its own understanding of how extremists were mobilizing when it switched its social media monitoring service on the last weekend of 2020.
    Pentagon leaders had acute fears about widespread violence, and some feared Trump could misuse the National Guard to remain in power

    Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy was left rattled by Trump’s firing of senior Pentagon officials just after the election and sought to put guardrails on deployment of the National Guard.
    Then-acting defense secretary Christopher C. Miller did not believe Trump would misuse the military but worried that far-right extremists could bait soldiers into “a Boston Massacre-type situation.” Their fears contributed to their fateful decision to keep soldiers away from the Capitol on Jan. 6.
    The Capitol Police was disorganized and unprepared

    The U.S. Capitol Police had been tracking threatening social media posts for weeks but was hampered by poor communication and planning.
    The department’s new head of intelligence concluded on Jan. 3 that Trump supporters had grown desperate to overturn the election and “Congress itself” would be the target. But then-Chief Steven Sund did not have that information when he initiated a last-minute request to bring in National Guard soldiers, one that was swiftly rejected.
    Trump’s election lies radicalized his supporters in real time

    While the president exerted pressure on state officials, the Justice Department and his vice president to overturn the results, his public attacks on the vote mobilized his supporters to immediately plot violent acts — discussions that researchers watched unfold online.
    During: Bloodshed

    For 187 minutes, the commander in chief stands back and allows an attack on a branch of the U.S. government.

    Key findings:

    Escalating danger signs were in full view hours before the Capitol attack but did not trigger a stepped-up security response

    Hundreds of Trump supporters clashed with police at the Washington Monument and the Lincoln Memorial on the morning of Jan. 6, some with shields and gas masks, presaging the violence to come.
    D.C. homeland security employees spotted piles of backpacks left by rallygoers outside the area where the president would speak — a phenomenon the agency had warned a week earlier could be a sign of concealed weapons.
    Trump had direct warnings of the risks but stood by for 187 minutes before telling his supporters to go home

    For more than three hours, the president resisted entreaties from House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, other Republican lawmakers and numerous White House advisers to urge the mob to disperse, a delay that contributed to harrowing acts of violence.
    His allies pressured Pence to reject the election results even after the Capitol siege

    John C. Eastman, an attorney advising Trump, emailed Pence’s lawyer around 9 p.m. to argue that the vice president still should reject electors from Arizona and other states.
    Earlier in the day, while the vice president, his family and aides were hiding from the rioters, Eastman emailed Pence’s lawyer to blame the violence on Pence’s refusal to block certification of Biden’s victory.
    The FBI was forced to improvise a plan to help take back control of the Capitol

    After the breach, the bureau deployed three tactical teams that were positioned nearby, but they were small, specialized teams and did not bring overwhelming manpower.
    As the riot escalated, acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen scrambled to keep up with the deluge of calls from senior government officials and desperate lawmakers.
    Senior Justice Department officials were so uncertain of what was occurring based on chaotic television images that Rosen’s top deputy, Richard Donoghue, went to the Capitol in person to coordinate with lawmakers and law enforcement agencies.

    After: Contagion

    Menacing threats and disinformation spread across the country in the wake of the Capitol siege, shaking the underpinnings of American democracy.

    Key findings:

    Republican efforts to undermine the 2020 election restarted immediately after the Capitol attack

    Eight days after the violence, state Republicans privately discussed their intention to force a review of ballots cast in Maricopa County, Ariz., setting in motion a chaotic process that further sowed doubt in the results and set off a wave of similar partisan investigations in other states.
    False election claims by Trump that spurred the Capitol attack have become a driving force in the Republican Party

    Nearly a third of the 390 GOP candidates around the country who have expressed interest in running for statewide office this cycle have publicly supported a partisan audit of the 2020 vote, downplayed the Jan. 6 attack or directly questioned Biden’s victory.
    They include 10 candidates running for secretary of state, a position with sway over elections in many states.
    Trump’s attacks have led to escalating threats of violence

    Election officials in at least 17 states collectively have received hundreds of threats to their personal safety or their lives since Jan. 6, with a concentration in the six states where Trump focused his attacks on the election results.
    Ominous emails and calls have spiked immediately after the former president and his allies raised new claims.
    First responders are struggling with deep trauma

    Those who tried to protect the Capitol are contending with serious physical injuries, nightmares and intense anxiety. “Normal is gone,” said one Capitol Police commander.

  3. #5043
    @Edge: So not only was it kind of laughable (if not particularly surprising, considering who's still in charge of the FBI) to say that this wasn't planned, but it runs deep. Gotcha.

    Anyway: aside from my prior usage of "PBR Putsch," another good name for Jan 6th is the Q-Coup. Aside from the obvious: yes, it being evocative of both "QQ" and "cuckoo" is deliberate.

  4. #5044
    Quote Originally Posted by Dacia Ultan View Post
    @Edge: So not only was it kind of laughable (if not particularly surprising, considering who's still in charge of the FBI) to say that this wasn't planned, but it runs deep. Gotcha.

    Anyway: aside from my prior usage of "PBR Putsch," another good name for Jan 6th is the Q-Coup. Aside from the obvious: yes, it being evocative of both "QQ" and "cuckoo" is deliberate.
    At the very least the internal intelligence failures should be a great cause of concern as to why it happened, with investigations into whether or not this information was intentionally not shared or not taken seriously by those sympathetic to the soon to be insurrectionists.

    Because we all know that the political bend of the FBI is ostensibly neutral, for example, but that their membership absolutely skews very conservative.

  5. #5045
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/janua...b0ad6f587b79a8

    Just a friendly reminder: Attending the insurrection is a positive for Republican candidates, not a liability.

  6. #5046
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...asylum-belarus

    And one of them is requesting asylum...in Belarus.

  7. #5047
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...asylum-belarus

    And one of them is requesting asylum...in Belarus.
    This made me laugh when I heard about it. Anti-immigrant racists suddenly want to become refugees.

    Let him. He's still a fugitive, and thebstatute of limitations doesn't expire, since he has already been indicted. Put him on the terrorist watch list, and he never gets to come back.

  8. #5048
    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    People complained it wasn't going fast enough. I said be patient. I said it takes time, real time to build a case as it still has to go through the courts. And the courts in the country are slow to move. I said be patient because you CANNOT mess it up. Not with something as this. If you go too fast, it could easily fall apart.

    This is what I'm talking about. If they would have brought charges up of insurrection without any proof, it all crumbles. Now there is proof. Yes, we, as citizens, could see the proof clear as day. But when going to court, you need more then just a hunch. You need actual documents tying people to things. You need physical evidence to get charges in cases as this. Just random testimony will not work.

    People wanted vengeance, people wanted blood. That is quick and dirty and usually doesn't get much done. I wanted justice and retribution. This is how you get it. Proof. Physical proof.

    EDIT: On a side note, this is also why you never backstab anyone you are going to commit a crime with. They will have no issue throwing you under the bus if you do so.
    AHAHAHAHA. Nothing will come out of this. A couple of people here and there will get a metaphorical slap on the wrist, and that's about it.

  9. #5049
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...asylum-belarus And one of them is requesting asylum...in Belarus.
    Now we cut his citizenship...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...asylum-belarus

    And one of them is requesting asylum...in Belarus.
    Apparently, this winner participated in some previous... errr... sightseeing tourism in as well. The 2004 Orange Revolution in Ukraine.

    Some strong "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat" vibes here.
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  11. #5051
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    AHAHAHAHA. Nothing will come out of this. A couple of people here and there will get a metaphorical slap on the wrist, and that's about it.
    Who both expected and wanted violence to happen at the rally, and told the politicians and staff the same? It isn’t a crime to hold a rally in front of the US Capitol building, no matter the cause.

    I’m glad for intelligence and deployment failures to be examined and corrected. The building was seriously under-protected. I’m glad to know if anyone in the chain of command chose to not deploy national guard under pressure from the executive branch or the mayors office. Those work. Actual arrests and trials are vanishingly unlikely.
    "I wish it need not have happened in my time." "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."

  12. #5052
    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/1...america-520026

    How long should companies withhold financial support for a political party actively supporting and defending an attempted violent insurrection?

    Apparently about 10 months, that's how long it takes for things to cool off before they start sending lobbyists and money to the members of Congress who are out there saying that the violent attack on the Capitol building was just a normal tour and shit.

    Once again, I am here reminding everyone that money is at the core of most of our political problems, and that until we eliminate the corrupting influence of money in politics that nothing will change.

  13. #5053
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    This made me laugh when I heard about it. Anti-immigrant racists suddenly want to become refugees.

    Let him. He's still a fugitive, and thebstatute of limitations doesn't expire, since he has already been indicted. Put him on the terrorist watch list, and he never gets to come back.
    Yep, now he can never go to an ally for a better life, and he can never see his family again. What a dumbass.

  14. #5054
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...asylum-belarus

    And one of them is requesting asylum...in Belarus.
    Nothing says "I'm Innocent, I Swear!!" then fleeing to another country to ask for asylum. /s

  15. #5055
    On the news of prison time, now we have someone sentenced to a longer sentence. Around 3 1/2 years to be a bit more precise.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

    A former mixed martial artist filmed punching a police officer during the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol received a 41-month prison sentence on Wednesday, the stiffest punishment yet in the roughly 700 criminal cases stemming from the siege.

    U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth imposed the sentence on Scott Fairlamb during a court hearing, citing the serious nature of his conduct during the riots.

  16. #5056
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Yep, now he can never go to an ally for a better life, and he can never see his family again. What a dumbass.
    Having 1.3 million $ for house he sold before fleeing should let him live quite comfortably for decades in Belarus.

    Nothing stop his family from visiting either (if you remember Snowden).
    Last edited by Shalcker; 2021-11-11 at 02:26 PM.

  17. #5057
    If the US tears up his citizenship he won't have $1.3 million. An "Exit tax" gets levied on everything. Ergo, he'll need a job.

  18. #5058
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    If the US tears up his citizenship he won't have $1.3 million. An "Exit tax" gets levied on everything. Ergo, he'll need a job.
    "Natural-born U.S. citizens may not have their citizenship revoked against their will, since birthright citizenship is guaranteed by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, but they may choose to renounce their citizenship on their own."

    So that will not work unless he is immigrant.

  19. #5059
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    "Natural-born U.S. citizens may not have their citizenship revoked against their will, since birthright citizenship is guaranteed by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, but they may choose to renounce their citizenship on their own." So that will not work unless he is immigrant.
    DoJ can argue he renounced his citizenship and will file accordingly. He'll have to argue against in person...

  20. #5060
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Having 1.3 million $ for house he sold before fleeing should let him live quite comfortably for decades in Belarus.

    Nothing stop his family from visiting either (if you remember Snowden).
    Good luck with that. Unless he took it in cash, which I highly doubt he did, because that would get flagged right away and would be stopped, then he just wasted fucking time selling his house. As Shadowferal stated, they will just probably seize everything.

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