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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Yes we know everything bad is categorized as right wing and everything else is ignored. Felons in prison are much more likely to be Democrats and yet those criminals are just bad apples whose criminal actions don't represent the Democrat ideology. Yet if statistics imply something bad for the opposite side then individualism goes out the window and guilt-by-association isn't a fallacy anymore.
    Get back to me when liberals start joining militias in record numbers after a man the wrong color becomes president and larp around the woods planning and training to overthrow the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Can you actually refute it?
    There is nothing to refute. There is no data being published. Just an article saying "just trust us, bro" reporting on a report by some agency saying "just trust us, bro".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    Get back to me when liberals start joining militias in record numbers after a man the wrong color becomes president and larp around the woods planning and training to overthrow the government.
    There are some violent whackos in every group, including liberals. It still doesn't mean you can blame the majority of law-abiding citizens based on a small minority of violent people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    There is nothing to refute. There is no data being published. Just an article saying "just trust us, bro" reporting on a report by some agency saying "just trust us, bro".
    The DHS would like to disagree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    Left-wing gubberment finds that most violence is committed by the right-wing
    Ah, yes, the oh so so liberal right is now left-wing, makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    There is nothing to refute. There is no data being published. Just an article saying "just trust us, bro" reporting on a report by some agency saying "just trust us, bro".
    That’s not what the article states... you do know FBI is currently rounding up Oath Keepers? Proud boy leadership is already in jail... ya’ll killed a cop while carrying blue lives mater flags...
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    Here we go again...if it doesn't affect you then it's hyperbole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    There are some violent whackos in every group, including liberals. It still doesn't mean you can blame the majority of law-abiding citizens based on a small minority of violent people.
    Yes, we can...

    Six more alleged Oath Keepers charged over Capitol riot
    https://thehill.com/regulation/court...r-capitol-riot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Yes, we can...
    You can generalize based on a small minority and you can attribute guilt by association but it's a fallacy so why would you want to do that?

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    Proud Boys member warns 'I'm coming for you'

    The Sacramento County Republican Party expelled Jeffrey Perrine from the party's central committee on Wednesday during a Zoom meeting, according to The Sacramento Bee.

    As another member of the committee seconded the motion, Perrine appears to make a gesture at the screen, and mutters "F---ing minorities."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrown1917 View Post
    Ah, yes, the oh so so liberal right is now left-wing, makes sense.
    This has been pointed out to you many, many times:

    In America, Liberal and Left Wing are considered to be synonyms. Hell even Socialist, Communist, Liberal and Left Wing are all considered to be the same thing.

    Yes, its incorrect but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    You can generalize based on a small minority and you can attribute guilt by association but it's a fallacy so why would you want to do that?
    Same reason I don’t pet stray dogs... I don’t think about it being a fallacy, since most dogs are not going to attack humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    There are some violent whackos in every group, including liberals. It still doesn't mean you can blame the majority of law-abiding citizens based on a small minority of violent people.
    When they're following an ideology that has violence against particular demographics baked into its DNA, we sure can.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    You can generalize based on a small minority and you can attribute guilt by association but it's a fallacy so why would you want to do that?
    Around 20% of Americans supported the Capitol Sedition. That's a minority of 10s of millions of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Around 20% of Americans supported the Capitol Sedition. That's a minority of 10s of millions of people.
    A lot of that is hyperbolic but if there is 20% of people who support violence and the initiation of force then 20% are guilty and not anybody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Yes we know everything bad is categorized as right wing and everything else is ignored. Felons in prison are much more likely to be Democrats and yet those criminals are just bad apples whose criminal actions don't represent the Democrat ideology. Yet if statistics imply something bad for the opposite side then individualism goes out the window and guilt-by-association isn't a fallacy anymore.
    No one is saying everything bad is right wing. But something has gone definitely disastrously wrong with the collective conservative psyche.

    Terrorist attacks, nihilism, demagoguery, mainstreaming of conspiracy theories (Obama is a baby blood drinking Kenyan born Muslim firing Jewish space lazers to start Californian wildfires!), the welcoming of armed milita groups with open arms, the systemic overarching shift to ever greater extremism over time, etc, etc. Something has gone definitely disastrously wrong.
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    A lot of that is hyperbolic but if there is 20% of people who support violence and the initiation of force then 20% are guilty and not anybody else.
    Aside from all the people helping to push the lie that sparked said fascist action at the Capitol, you mean.

    Rofl.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    A lot of that is hyperbolic but if there is 20% of people who support violence and the initiation of force then 20% are guilty and not anybody else.
    And yet, then there's all those who would vote for such people... which is a show of support.


    Voting for racists pushing racists policies will bleed over to you, whether you like it, or not. Don't be upset, because people judge you for the choices you make in life.

    "Sure, I'd vote for a Nazi, but that doesn't mean you get to call me one."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    Aww does facts not care about your feelings? Poor you
    If they attacked Unite the Right rally for making everyone on the right look like a fascist, these statistics would likely be different. Did they condemn the action of Capitol Riots or waste their energy blaming the left, while claiming a successful version is coming on March 4th?

    If we can’t assume based on these statistics... why does Trump hotel near the capital, get to increasing prices on March 4th?

    Edit: Yeah, the MTG conservatives... ones that establishment conservatives were too afraid to reprimand for this bullshit rhetoric... are planning a “peaceful” take over of US government for Trump, on March 4th... totally peaceful... no reason to assume or stereotype conservatives being violent on March 4th, while replacing US government with Trump...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Around 20% of Americans supported the Capitol Sedition. That's a minority of 10s of millions of people.
    It was 20% of Americans. But 45% of republicans.

    https://today.yougov.com/topics/poli...tol-trump-poll
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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