Well im aware of that. That is why I find it super weird to make a blanket statement like "most would be expected to do 6-8k, while all these people who join only doing 4-5k instead". In my experience 6-8k overall is never the MOST expectation, and only happens in super high keys or big groups who know the pulls well. I just found it weird for them to say that, thats all. I wanted to clarify to ask where this is happening for most people. In my book, "MOST" is pugs since most people are using LFG these days for everything. (Can see this with mythics, AOTC pugs, Heroic raids, Arenas, RBGS etc)