Winter Queen's Sister Reveal (Spoilers)

[username993720]

WoW has always been full of perspective-based internal fiction - you can find books sprinkled all over the in-game world that make wild suppositions, outright fabrications, and any number of erroneous conclusions by Azeroth's denizens like Brann Bronzebeard. It's not a paradox for a fantasy game to contain unreliable narrators or characters who put their own perspectives ahead of factual information due to bias or a desire to deceive.

Yea, but rarely do outside sources.
I think they are experimenting with these ones, so they don't have to face criticism.

[Nynax]

ah i see even the earthmother is full of human potential

Make elune an elf? despite trolls being first? no problem

Earthmother not being a tauren but a human? lets go.

If only Warcraft lore was written by someone like Steven Erikson...

[Aucald]

Yea, but rarely do outside sources.
I think they are experimenting with these ones, so they don't have to face criticism.

The Exploring Azeroth books actually do a fair deal of this, with the first one World of Warcraft: Exploring Azeroth: The Eastern Kingdoms including a lot of supposition and unreliable narration via Flynn Fairwind and even Matthias Shaw (who tries being more objective but is obviously limited to what he knows). The same is true of a lot of the novels as well, a major point in the case being the Illidan novel where a prophecy at the end was taken by readers at face value until it ultimately proved false when the prophesied timeframe came to pass later on.

As for facing criticism, well, anyone can criticize anything really - whether said criticism holds up or has relevance is another matter entirely.

[Raetary]

How? if it's not canon...

??? it is canon, its just not an actual event that transpired but a story shared by the denizens of Azeroth.

Worldbuilding isn't just deciding where a mountain or lake goes.
Establishing cultures, customs and traditions is all a vital part of worldbuilding as well.

[Keristrasza]

Make elune an elf? despite trolls being first? no problem

Makes sense to me, Dark trolls found the well and were "changed" by it's powers over centuries and start worshiping a mysterious goddess instead of the loa they knew? A goddess that just "happens" to look like they do now instead of the trolls they were? Sounds to be like she was a little narcissistic and remade them in her image.

[username993720]

The Exploring Azeroth books actually do a fair deal of this, with the first one World of Warcraft: Exploring Azeroth: The Eastern Kingdoms including a lot of supposition and unreliable narration via Flynn Fairwind and even Matthias Shaw (who tries being more objective but is obviously limited to what he knows). The same is true of a lot of the novels as well, a major point in the case being the Illidan novel where a prophecy at the end was taken by readers at face value until it ultimately proved false when the prophesied timeframe came to pass later on.

As for facing criticism, well, anyone can criticize anything really - whether said criticism holds up or has relevance is another matter entirely.

That was my point. Exploring Azeroth is a recent addition. They probably diverted their ways after seeing that Chronicles couldn't stay as truth set in stone.

As for Illidan, i believe they had plans for him to become the chosen one, but backed out of it.

??? it is canon, its just not an actual event that transpired but a story shared by the denizens of Azeroth.

Worldbuilding isn't just deciding where a mountain or lake goes.
Establishing cultures, customs and traditions is all a vital part of worldbuilding as well.

How can it if:
1. they can't decide if the Blue Child is Elune's sister or child.
2. It can be scrapped or replaced at any moment, since it's subjective.

It can, however, be used as an inspiration and ground base for world building. They're just testing the waters, i think. Especially with those horrible drawings .

[Raetary]

How can it if:
1. they can't decide if the Blue Child is Elune's sister or not.

But they are not "deciding" anything, they made 2 stories from the in-universe POV of 2 different cultures
One story contains the Taurens view of what the Blue child is and came to be, the other is the Night elves view of what the Blue child is and how it came to be.

That's just how cultures work.

According to the greeks, the sun is Apollo riding his chariot across the sky.
For the Egyptians it was Ra rowing his boat.
The Aztecs had their 4 sun thing.
etc.

Different cultures, different beliefs about what the world is and how it was created.

2. It can be scrapped or replaced at any moment, since it's subjective.

For the third time, this book is called Folk and Fairytales of Azeroth.
These stories were never intended to show any objective truths (aside from showing minor cultural events like visage day), but random folktales shared by Azeroths denizens.

Idk why you are so insisting that they are.

[shoc]

This book literally opens with an introduction that "some of the tales you'll encounter here may be rooted in canon, or they may be another traveler just telling a tall tale."

There are less braincells in this thread than the number of commenters.

Infracted.

[ohwell]

What is wrong with @Syegfryed suggestion? If they make Elune an elf, it would explain why dark trolls were transformed to look like that .. basically Elune moulded them into her image as they drunk in the energies of the well of eternity - it's not unreasonable, and can explain why there is such a drastic change from the troll appearance to the elf one..

I get the well can evolve creatures, but it is not unreasonable that her hand was at work - I mean it's not like the trolls needed 5 fingers and a different face and spine.. why would random evolution give them those things if someone else wasn't guiding it?

It's plausible. Also why would any troll dark or otherwise want to look like that unless someone they found incredible changed their standard of beauty and they aspired to that, and she moulded them over a few centuries to match their revised view of beauty - made after her image.


Ofc, maybe she just did it, or that's how they just evolved, and when they saw her, she appeared to them like one of them,, or they just imagine her as a night elf female.

Actually you answered that yourself in the first sentence. They're drinking in the well's power which made them look closer to titans from trolls. There's no reason they'd transform into something they never saw as they were more impacted by Azeroth than Elune.

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This book literally opens with an introduction that "some of the tales you'll encounter here may be rooted in canon, or they may be another traveler just telling a tall tale."

There are less braincells in this thread than the number of commenters.

Not sure whether you're using that statement to argue that it's canon or not, but the statement clearly says it isn't canon and it's not not canon. There is absolutely nothing definitive of what is said in the book according to the quoted statement. It's neither declaring truth nor is it declaring untruth. It is just there for fun reading.

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Makes sense to me, Dark trolls found the well and were "changed" by it's powers over centuries and start worshiping a mysterious goddess instead of the loa they knew? A goddess that just "happens" to look like they do now instead of the trolls they were? Sounds to be like she was a little narcissistic and remade them in her image.

She could have just as easily changed how she showed herself because she was pleased with them. It's not uncommon in media for "gods" to take the form of their worshipers instead of vice versa since usually the worshipers don't know what the god looks like. It's kind of how we imagine our gods to look like us when if Allah or Jehovah or the Hindu gods really exist they could just be amorphous blobs of sentient energy.

[Sorshen]

They won't go to such lengths to write bogus.

Remember Chronicles?

[DemonHunter18]

Elune is Winter Queen's sister or some shit like that...

if anything, she will look similar to her.

[username993720]

Remember Chronicles?

They didn't plan for it to become one. They just had to back down from it when they realized that it contradicts the expansion ideas they have.

[huth]

As i already wrote, it's a fantasy story inside a fantasy game. That's a paradox

No, that's just two layers deep. A paradox would be a logical self-contradiction, but there is nothing in logic that says that fantasy beings can't themselves have fantasies.

[TheFirstOnes]

This book literally opens with an introduction that "some of the tales you'll encounter here may be rooted in canon, or they may be another traveler just telling a tall tale."

There are less braincells in this thread than the number of commenters.

Just means "It may be apart of official history, or it's just a tale told on Azeroth". Doesn't mean it's not part of the official story.

[Lahis]

Or that she remolded them over time based on her own appearance since Night Elves were evolutions, since they're supposed to be basically her chosen race.

Or Night Elves just started to picture Elune after themselves.

[Maljinwo]

With exception of Bwonsamdi, who was raised to the ranks of loa from some race of primordial trolls, do any loa look like trolls?

Zanza the Restless

Vol'jin

[Aresk]

Zanza the Restless

Vol'jin

Has it been confirmed that Vol'jin is a loa now? Last I heard, he was undergoing some reincarnation process after receiving Rezan's essence, but nothing was stated in his exchange with the Winter Queen that he is now a loa. While based on the description, it wouldn't be surprising if he came back as a loa, I wouldn't want to leap to that conclusion until we've had some stronger confirmation.

So Zanza and Bwonsamdi make two that look like trolls (and if Vol'jin does become a loa and retains his physical form, that would be three), and we have over thirty that don't. I think that's pretty strong evidence that loa do not conform to troll physiology even if worshipped by trolls.

[Raetary]

but nothing was stated in his exchange with the Winter Queen that he is now a loa.

Is there a need to?
It's so heavily implied that the implication might as well manifest as solid matter.

[Aresk]

Is there a need to?
It's so heavily implied that the implication might as well manifest as solid matter.

No, there's not a need to clearly state what Vol'jin is. He could be a mortal that is able to be reborn through Ardenweald. He could be a wild god. He could be a brand new type of undead. Given that the setting supports all sorts of bizarre mortal transformations into supermortal beings (from Sylvanas' death powers to Arthas' transformation into a death knight without really ever dying to Illidan's demonic manifestation to Callia's naaru undead to Alleria's void naaru form to Talanji's Bwonsamdi-bargain semi-loahood to Thrall's aspect-inheritance despite not being a dragon), there are plenty of things that Vol'jin could become, and we do not need to qualify exactly what that is. But if we're talking about concrete loa, and Vol'jin is only speculated to be a loa, then numbering him among their ilk seems premature.

As far as I'm aware, the only loa who didn't start out as a loa was Bwonsamdi, and he was raised to power through Mueh'zala, not through absorbing a "dying" loa's essence. There's nothing that says Vol'jin couldn't be a loa, but there's nothing to say he's any different than Yazma or Gal'darah or any other troll that has been imbued with the essence of a loa, other than he and the loa were both dead and in the Shadowlands at the time, whereas the other imbuements came from stealing a loa's essence at the moment of sacrificing it by a living troll in the material world.