Israel and Palestine Conflict Heats Up

[ati87]

Does not terribly matter, what matters is the result. So go whine at Biden, not at me.

In the end it's really difficult to justify Hamas and as a result we have this status quo for many many years. I'm fine with it, I got used to it to the point it's not even interesting in the day to day life.

No, it's not difficult to justify Hamas.
Take whatever justification you use to bomb the people in Gaza and just change everything related to Israel to Gaza/Hamas/Palestina and the other way around.

Rather easy isn't it.

For the evictions you can't really do that because those arguments are just dogshit....

And regarding Biden. His government blocked the resolution but I wasn't the one that was proud that Israel didn't get a slap on the wrist you are.

[Gaidax]

No, it's not difficult to justify Hamas.
Take whatever justification you use to bomb the people in Gaza and just change everything related to Israel to Gaza/Hamas/Palestina and the other way around.

Rather easy isn't it.

For the evictions you can't really do that because those arguments are just dogshit....

For you and your several circlejerk buddies here, I'm sure it's not difficult to even justify ISIS if it would come to that. You'd be happy to support any terrorist faction as long as it would do what you deem right. Not really surprising, but the reality is that you're a loud minority and it will stay that way.

[Cringefest]

UN resolutions passed = 0
EU resolutions passed = 0

What world? KEK

You can't even agree among yourselves, mr. whole world representative.

The world where everyone, including the US is telling you to... Hold it... Hold it... Yeah, you guessed right, get the fuck out of the al Aqsa compound and stop annexing land. Including your big servants, the US.

[downnola]

I live here, I am pretty damn good at understanding how this works.

You are hellbent on somehow pushing this all off on Israel and that BS just does not fly.

Wouldn't an impartial observer read the comment that you live there and "understand how this works" and simply come to the conclusion that you're an extremely biased person on one side of a conflict? You have a vested interest in blaming it all on Hamas, do you not? You don't have an edge in this conversation just because you live there. A Palestinian could easily come into this thread and dispute your take on events and pull the "well I live in Palestine, and I understand how this works." It wouldn't make them any more correct in the discussion either.

In other words, you clearly have a better understanding of the subject than most people. However, you're also extremely biased and use one sided arguments. Anything you say should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Cringefest]

Because they are a terrorist organization ? And you do not want to live next to terrorists or people electing terrorists to position of leadership ? Plus was that not Bibi saying that Palestine should be jewish only ? Not that I do agree with him, I would prefer a two states solution but that seems to me very far away.

Israel is the reason why a two state solution isnt an option at the moment. Hamas agreed to work on it back in 2008.

[Gaidax]

Wouldn't an impartial observer read the comment that you live there and "understand how this works" and simply come to the conclusion that you're an extremely biased person on one side of a conflict? You have a vested interest in blaming it all on Hamas, do you not? You don't have an edge in this conversation just because you live there. A Palestinian could easily come into this thread and dispute your take on events and pull the "well I live in Palestine, and I understand how this works." It wouldn't make them any more correct in the discussion either.

In other words, you clearly have a better understanding of the subject than most people. However, you're also extremely biased and use one sided arguments. Anything you say should be taken with a grain of salt.

I mean, I'm not really hiding I'm a citizen of Israel, durr?

Of course I have vested interest in supporting my country over a terrorist organization. Damn, how'd you figure that one out, must be a genius.

My issue is that there is simply a circlejerk of about 5 or so posters here constantly blaming my country for just about everything and more, while completely disregarding the other side. But then, I'd imagine I can just disregard this as noise too, after all it does not terribly matter.

[Cringefest]

I mean, I'm not really hiding I'm a citizen of Israel, durr?

Of course I have vested interest in supporting my country over a terrorist organization. Damn, how'd you figure that one out, must be a genius.

My issue is that there is simply a circlejerk of about 5 or so posters here constantly blaming my country for just about everything and more, while completely disregarding the other side. But then, I'd imagine I can just disregard this as noise too, after all it does not terribly matter.

I'm really sorry you don't like how things are. But that's how they are.

[Gaidax]

I'm really sorry you don't like how things are. But that's how they are.

in your point of view

You seem to be convinced you're in the right, good for you buddy. I'm not exactly going to convince you, so I probably just won't bother.

/shrug

[ati87]

For you and your several circlejerk buddies here, I'm sure it's not difficult to even justify ISIS if it would come to that. You'd be happy to support any terrorist faction as long as it would do what you deem right. Not really surprising, but the reality is that you're a loud minority and it will stay that way.

Sure, ISIS got created because the US decided to bomb a country to rubble and within that chaos allowed a civil war to flourish because of really bad decisions that created a vacuum.
If whatever happend to Iraq happend to the US we would have the same situation really because that is what stupidity does, create conflict.

[prwraith]

I truly don't understand why anyone supports Israel. Even if they're the better of the many evils around there. The bottom line is, they're malicious invaders increasingly occupying another country.

*queue people telling us Palestine isn't a country*

Also how very weird hostilities erupt every time netanyahu is on the ropes >.<

[Cringefest]

in your point of view

You seem to be convinced you're in the right, good for you buddy. I'm not exactly going to convince you, so I probably just won't bother.

/shrug

No, that's just how things are. Israel started this latest escalations with the Al Aqsa confrontation, Israel is also preventing a two state solution by expanding into land that isn't theirs. Israel is responsible for a blockade in gaza and a military occupation in the west bank that's preventing the peace process to move forward.

Those above are facts, not opinions. You think they're justified cause "Palestinians are beasts", that's on you and doesn't change the reality of things.

[downnola]

I mean, I'm not really hiding I'm a citizen of Israel, durr?

Of course I have vested interest in supporting my country over a terrorist organization. Damn, how'd you figure that one out, must be a genius.

My issue is that there is simply a circlejerk of about 5 or so posters here constantly blaming my country for just about everything and more, while completely disregarding the other side. But then, I'd imagine I can just disregard this as noise too, after all it does not terribly matter.

I didn't say you were hiding that fact, you utter dunce. I'm simply pointing out that you're an insufferable apologist that no-one should take seriously. I haven't seen anyone plainly state that Israel is solely at fault for any of this. If anything people are pointing out that Israel is part of a two-sided dispute and does it's fair share of instigating and war crimes. It's you who refuses to see that, not anyone else.

[ati87]

I truly don't understand why anyone supports Israel. Even if they're the better of the many evils around there. The bottom line is, they're malicious invaders increasingly occupying another country.

*queue people telling us Palestine isn't a country*

Also how very weird hostilities erupt every time netanyahu is on the ropes >.<

Wrote this a week ago but don't forget your dealing with a 100 years of propaganda in this regard.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...over-200-years

When Arthur Balfour, then Britain’s foreign secretary, promised 104 years ago to help establish a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine, his words changed the world. The Guardian of 1917 supported, celebrated and could even be said to have helped facilitate the Balfour declaration. Scott was a supporter of Zionism and this blinded him to Palestinian rights. In 1917 he wrote a leader on the day the Balfour declaration was announced, in which he dismissed any other claim to the Holy Land, saying: “The existing Arab population of Palestine is small and at a low stage of civilisation.”

Just couple of years ago when the reach of journalism was limited the narrative was "Israel is alway right" and "Palestinians are unreasonable" .

Pre al jazeera we didn't even knew what the F was happening there and even today western media doesn't report everything. First time I read that Jewish settlers where burning Palestinian farms was on the al jazeera website, once 10 years ago I read a critical peace on the BBC on Israel which got removed a few days later.

[tehdang]

Wrote this a week ago but don't forget your dealing with a 100 years of propaganda in this regard.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...over-200-years


Just couple of years ago when the reach of journalism was limited the narrative was "Israel is alway right" and "Palestinians are unreasonable" .

Pre al jazeera we didn't even knew what the F was happening there and even today western media doesn't report everything. First time I read that Jewish settlers where burning Palestinian farms was on the al jazeera website, once 10 years ago I read a critical peace on the BBC on Israel which got removed a few days later.

I mean, if we’re going back 100 years to reveal the way the issue was talked about then, you might as well also go back 80 years.

Palestinian leader Haj Amin al Husseini, meeting with Hitler. He recruited for the SS, received Nazi funding for his Palestinian riots, and fled to Berlin after a failed coup.

Just in case people thought the Jews bore some unique, negative history in the region.

[Draco-Onis]

Was Hillary going to reverse course on a two state solution? Would this result in Democrats murdering Republicans?

Yes, in that case... I would be ecstatic... After all, I support a two state solution. I don’t want fellow Americans murdered. I want help from the world to build infrastructure and prevent my people from being executed in the streets. With hindsight? I would be insane or some brutal asshole, to not support international aid to help Trump win.



You keep saying “take money”, to describe building schools, without US or UN logos.

Okay that's it we are done, it's obvious you are at Trumpist levels of denials when it come to the obvious. Fatah took foreign money for political reasons during an election it doesn't matter if they used it to feed the homeless and cure cancer, we have campaign finance laws against this very thing. If Hamas was giving money to an Israeli political party regardless of how they used the money they would lose badly in an election.

And yes it goes without saying the average Palestinian doesn't think highly of the two countries that kill their friends, families and destroy their homes.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

One of the saddest things here is terrorist actions support the right-wing in Israeli politics. What better evidence against giving away land for peace, than a belligerent Hamas in Gaza looking for excuses to begin rocket barrages?

Meanwhile, Palestinian activists are beating up Jews on the streets of Los Angeles and New York City. Not to mention videos I’ve seen from Canada and Germany.

France has been massively stricken by that phenomenon as well during the past decades, degenerating in many targeted large scale terrorist attacks, which is pushing every year a sizeable number of their large community to migrate to Israel, in some cases further fueling the colonization process.

[JohnBrown1917]

I mean, if we’re going back 100 years to reveal the way the issue was talked about then, you might as well also go back 80 years.

Palestinian leader Haj Amin al Husseini, meeting with Hitler. He recruited for the SS, received Nazi funding for his Palestinian riots, and fled to Berlin after a failed coup.

Just in case people thought the Jews bore some unique, negative history in the region.

Probably should not go with the man who had no democratic mandate and was appointed to his post by the British empire he was in service off.

[Easo]

Oh boy, this is too juicy to keep away from this thread:

The rockets were retaliation for Israel’s actions.

Let it be noted that supressing protests/riots (mark which one you prefer) is good enough reason to launch rockets upon cities. What was that about proportional response some people repeatedly said in here?

Was killing Palestinians part of this preventing of Israel from stealing their land, via two state solution?

The only reason Hamas is there is because they had bigger guns than Fatah. Israel's biggest mistake was letting Hamas take over and exile the (whoever survived) from the opposition when we could have stopped it back then.

There is a reason why Hamas is recognized as terrorist organization by US and EU, that's one of those.

You people love screaming "nazis" at every opportunity, but what Hamas did was legit by Hitler's playbook - get voted in and then physically kill and ban the opposition.

I love how he conveniently ignored both of you regarding Hamas murdering opposition in the aftermath of winning elections. Probably Israel is at fault for Hamas doing defenestrations and dragging people behind bikes, too. Mossad must have whispered into the ears of Hamas members to do it, I guess.

[Cringefest]

Oh boy, this is too juicy to keep away from this thread:



Let it be noted that supressing protests/riots (mark which one you prefer) is good enough reason to launch rockets upon cities. What was that about proportional response some people repeatedly said in here?





I love how he conveniently ignored both of you regarding Hamas murdering opposition in the aftermath of winning elections. Probably Israel is at fault for Hamas doing defenestrations and dragging people behind bikes, too. Mossad must have whispered into the ears of Hamas members to do it, I guess.

Reason why that was ignored is because no one is expecting Hamas, an organisation born out of extremism, desperation and desire of revenge, to follow the standards of the Israeli government. Felya thought he had something in his hands with that "but Hamas killed" thing.

There was no protests or riots. The original al Aqsa confrontation was a gathering to mark the end of Ramadan, IIRC.
Israeli police and right wingers thought well to get in and bash heads at random. If you think that is appropriate in a place like Jerusalem, ready to pop any minute, well... That's on you mate.

[tehdang]

France has been massively stricken by that phenomenon as well during the past decades, degenerating in many targeted large scale terrorist attacks, which is pushing every year a sizeable number of their large community to migrate to Israel, in some cases further fueling the colonization process.

Yeah, I read some articles about Jewish exodus from France. You bet the pressures of additional people spurs settlement pushes in politics.

I don’t have a lot of insight into internal Israeli politics, but I hope Netanyahu still leaves soon and faces a corruption investigation. He’s been in office long enough.

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Probably should not go with the man who had no democratic mandate and was appointed to his post by the British empire he was in service off.

Probably shouldn’t talk about democratic mandates in Palestine unless history starts quite recently for you.

Best not to imply he was in the service of the British when he used Nazi funds to help murder British soldiers in Palestine. One of the original free-Palestine activists there. Hamas takes after his spirit, though not with German allies this time around. Egypt, Syria, Iran, and maybe Pakistan.

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Oh boy, this is too juicy to keep away from this thread:



Let it be noted that supressing protests/riots (mark which one you prefer) is good enough reason to launch rockets upon cities. What was that about proportional response some people repeatedly said in here?





I love how he conveniently ignored both of you regarding Hamas murdering opposition in the aftermath of winning elections. Probably Israel is at fault for Hamas doing defenestrations and dragging people behind bikes, too. Mossad must have whispered into the ears of Hamas members to do it, I guess.

Don’t you know proportional response only applies to the worlds only Jewish state? Rockets in response to police action against a riot? You’ll hear crickets. Targeted Israeli strikes on terrorist leadership, offices, launch sites in response to thousands of misiles? Disproportionate!

Antisemitism is inventing rules that only apply to the only Jewish state. And sadly my country has seen open air bearings of Jews eating outdoors and marching in support of Israel with Israeli flags. Say apartheid state and genocide enough, and some activists go out searching for Jews to take vengeance upon.