KGB Hijacks Flight to Arrest Journalist.

[Shadowferal]

They have their own Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades
Russian web bridages, also called Russian trolls or Russian bots are state-sponsored anonymous Internet political commentators and trolls linked to the Government of Russia.[1] Participants report that they are organized into teams and groups of commentators that participate in Russian and international political blogs and Internet forums using sockpuppets, social bots and large-scale orchestrated trolling and disinformation campaigns to promote pro-Putin and pro-Russian propaganda.[2][3][4][5] It has also been found that articles on Russian Wikipedia concerning the MH17 crash and the 2014 Ukraine conflict were targeted by Russian internet propaganda outlets.

New KGB like da old KGB.

Well..aint that some shit.
I hope he's at least getting paid for it.

[alkyd]

They have their own Wikipedia page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades

Russian web bridages, also called Russian trolls or Russian bots are state-sponsored anonymous Internet political commentators and trolls linked to the Government of Russia.[1] Participants report that they are organized into teams and groups of commentators that participate in Russian and international political blogs and Internet forums using sockpuppets, social bots and large-scale orchestrated trolling and disinformation campaigns to promote pro-Putin and pro-Russian propaganda.[2][3][4][5] It has also been found that articles on Russian Wikipedia concerning the MH17 crash and the 2014 Ukraine conflict were targeted by Russian internet propaganda outlets.


New KGB like da old KGB.

Too bad Wikipedia doesn't have a page on the "Pentagon's secret army". But we all know Wikipedia is a bit biased so it won't ever happen.

[Machismo]

I think its clear someone on board had food poisoning, so they needed to alter course, and land.

[Pann]

Too bad Wikipedia doesn't have a page on the "Pentagon's secret army". But we all know Wikipedia is a bit biased so it won't ever happen.

Well if Wikipedia did then it wouldn't be a secret army...

[alkyd]

Well if Wikipedia did then it wouldn't be a secret army...

Indeed it's not secret anymore. Got exposed.

[ranzino]

So, here's the thing you seem to not understand. A fighter jet has weapons on board. Sending a fighter jet to fly that close to an airliner has several implications: 1. It's inherently dangerous, the airliner is not used to formation flying and it is entirely up to the fighter jet to avoid a collision if anything happens. It is a very big risk, 2. The implication of sending a fighter jet to escort an airliner is to ENFORCE compliance, with the use of weapons if necessary. Otherwise they could have sent any other jet up there.

So, just to rob you of that notion, a fighter jet intercepting a civilian airliner is never "just there". By definition of air intercept, "just there" does not exist. This situation is so dramatic, by the way, that the ICAO explicitely forbids any sort of intercept practice on civilian airliners. Because it is a big deal. Because it is that dangerous.

What politicians talk on TV is one thing, you should listen to what the ICAO is saying. Because they literally wrote the book on aviation rules.

But here's why politicians talk about bomb threats on TV: Intercepting an aircraft, detaining it for 8 hours or so to conduct an investigation and search of the vehicle is justified if such a legit bomb threat exists. The key discussion point for you to understand here is that sending a fighter jet, forcing a landing of a foreign airliner and detaining foreign nationals that never intended to set foot in Belarus is against the rules. And the only way to justify/excuse this would be such a threat.

And Western politicians are pointing out that Belarus just made shit up. If that's the case, which it seems to be, then Belarus doesn't even have a case to argue. They broke rules, international law and conducted air piracy. That isn't in contention at all. That is why they are talking about the bomb threat. Because that's the only little straw Belarus has to get out of this without major consequences that go beyond what we already have here.

I mean, I'm writing this in response to you, but really this is aimed at everyone else, because undoubtedly you're going to find a reason to dismiss everything and go "Bu, but America!" and whine on about some irrelevant bullshit about how Russia and Belarus are treated so, so unfairly. So they are invading and conquering foreign countries, shooting down civilian airliners and forcing other airliners to land illegally, that's no reason to be so mean to those dictatorships, poor, poor Russia... rofl

fighter jets might just not arrive with sidewinders under the wings, but they are entitled to close encounters and they are entitled to order you to follow them. it is unfortunate but any commercial pilot will comply. ICAO knows it and agrees.
usually the airforce just comes looking if the plane behaves erratically.
for example stay silent and do not communicate with ATC (you might miss a frequency change) is a wonderful invitation to a "meet and greet" by 2 jets closing in on portside
for an example: Air Berlin was chased by french airforce for lack of communication

[Machismo]

Too bad Wikipedia doesn't have a page on the "Pentagon's secret army". But we all know Wikipedia is a bit biased so it won't ever happen.

What baffles me, is that so many people would sacrifice their morals and ethics in order to shill for murderous tyrants and dictators... all for peanuts.

But, it seems rather pathetic for people to go on a gaming site, and push lies and disinformation about their own government's shitty behavior.

[alkyd]

What baffles me, is that so many people would sacrifice their morals and ethics in order to shill for murderous tyrants and dictators... all for peanuts.

But, it seems rather pathetic for people to go on a gaming site, and push lies and disinformation about their own government's shitty behavior.

I agree with you.

[Machismo]

I agree with you.

So... stop doing it.

[alkyd]

So... stop doing it.

I never did it. I condemn Lukashenko's actions if the hoax indeed came from Belarus government. And I never shilled for his regime.

[Machismo]

I never did it. I condemn Lukashenko's actions if the hoax indeed came from Belarus government. And I never shilled for his regime.

You have been doing it for pages... on an account that has had almost no other posts in the past 6 years... except to post a conspiracy theory about 9/11.

Color me highly suspicious.

[alkyd]

You have been doing it for pages... on an account that has had almost no other posts in the past 6 years... except to pus a co spirscy theory about 9/11.

Color me highly suspicious.

Thanks for visiting my post history. Once again I never shilled for anyone. All my posts were against hypocrisy and double standards. Yeah, I shouldn't have made a thread about that 6 years ago. I am sorry.

Edit: And I took a break from WoW, but with TBC classic, I came back and decided to visit the good old mmo-c for entertainment once more.

[Machismo]

Thanks for visiting my post history. Once again I never shilled for anyone. All my posts were against hypocrisy and double standards. Yeah, I shouldn't have made a thread about that 6 years ago. I am sorry.

Edit: And I took a break from WoW, but with TBC classic, I came back and decided to visit the good old mmo-c for entertainment once more.

Once again, the available information points to something else entirely.

[alkyd]

Once again, the available information points to something else entirely.

You mean like in this thread specifically? Or something that was 10 years ago? I mean I am too lazy to go through my post history, but as people grow older, their views and opinions may change too.

[Machismo]

You mean like in this thread specifically? Or something that was 10 years ago? I mean I am too lazy to go through my post history, but as people grow older, their views and opinions may change too.

A long history of pushing pro-Russian propaganda. Man, those waters sure are getting muddy.

The best part about it... the more you type, the more you prove me right.

[alkyd]

A long history of pushing pro-Russian propaganda. Man, those waters sure are getting muddy.

Well as I said once again, views and opinions change over the years. I don't consider myself neither pro-Russian nor pro-American. So whatever my views are today is visible from my comments in this thread. Feel free to quote any of them to show that I shill for anyone.

[Rozz]

Stay on topic means stay on topic. And no, you can't just call each other paid bots.

[Forogil]

I'm talking about what they actually said, and how it can be naturally interpreted given the question. He given them two options and they pretty clearly indicated

several - which likely is a lie.

That's how liars normally operate.
If I had returned from a flight that landed both in Crete and Cyprus and asked if I had enjoyed Crete or Cyprus and answered "oh, I have enjoyed several Islands in the med"; that would be the normal way of deception if I hadn't been to Crete or Cyprus; and perhaps only been to there years ago.

That's the kind of deception the ATC is using.

And then reiterated that it's them later on "who recommends that".

Yes, it's the ATC that recommends diverting to Minsk. That doesn't indicate that the ATC directly received the mail, and it clearly contradicts the lie from the terrorist regime in Belarus that the plane decided to divert to Minsk on its own.

We don't know which airports besides Minsk have received the mail (if any) - there has been nothing from Belarus about that.
We don't know if the mail actually exists and what it contains in that case - mail headers can give information clues, and by only reading the mail we lose both that and the ability to see if there are any other indications.

So, until the mail has been shown it is best treated as a complete fabrication; and only as a pretext for Belarus hijacking a plane.

- - - Updated - - -

So Lukashenko today announced that the bomb threat was sent from Switzerland (don't ask) and that Belarus did everything correctly.

It will also likely be used as pretext for once more banning protonmail in Belarus.

[Slant]

fighter jets might just not arrive with sidewinders under the wings, but they are entitled to close encounters and they are entitled to order you to follow them. it is unfortunate but any commercial pilot will comply. ICAO knows it and agrees.
usually the airforce just comes looking if the plane behaves erratically.
for example stay silent and do not communicate with ATC (you might miss a frequency change) is a wonderful invitation to a "meet and greet" by 2 jets closing in on portside

This is correct. Interceptions do not, typically, happen when the flight plan is filed and the airliner follows that flight plan to the letter while maintaining communications with ATC and following instructions. It's like... the one way not to have a jet fighter with you is do all that. And they did. Belarus seems to have the weird notion that just because they have the ultimate authority in their air space doesn't mean they can just break ICAO regulations without consequences (ie. the EU shutting them out).

That's just silly nonsense.

[Shalcker]

several - which likely is a lie.

So you have no proof either way - and yet you cannot admit another possibility. Why do you persist on this irrelevant detail?

100% truth, 100% lies, anything in-between will not change the act as long as it is part of operation instigated by Lukashenko.

That's how liars normally operate.

Liars also frequently accuse others of lying in turn.

If you have no solid source then all we have is conjecture.

So, until the mail has been shown it is best treated as a complete fabrication; and only as a pretext for Belarus hijacking a plane.

Going all this effort and forgetting to send actual email? I find that unlikely.

It is most likely pretext. It could have also existed.

It will also likely be used as pretext for once more banning protonmail in Belarus.

They don't need pretext for that; they went on another media banning spree right after they got a guy.

Banned posting polls from non-accredited sources, hyperlinks to banned articles, given local prosecutors capability to block sites, stopping media publishing on Ministry of Information decision "after two warning" and so on.