How much can we split the player base?

[delus]

So we will soon have 3 verified flavors of classic alongside retail. By the end of next year, we will in all likelihood have wotlk classic and burning crusade classic fully progressed and seasonal in addition to fully progressed servers of classic and seasonal classic. This is in addition to the built in faction barriers. Do you think they can have 40 man raids at that point? Maybe they will lower the cap down to 20?

[Onikaroshi]

Don't think there's that much splitting honestly.

Splitting assumes people would play a version of the game if another version is not available.

If you can't do 40 man raids in Classic Era reboot, that's just because people don't want to play it, not because its split.

[Temis]

With Vanilla and TBC its mainly about the server you are on, so as long as these servers have 2-3k+ its fine. IMO the idea that the player base it going to much is just a scare tactic used by people scared people will like a different version of WoW then them.

[Video Games]

If you can't do 40 man raids in Classic Era reboot, that's just because people don't want to play it, not because its split.

I dont think thats true. I want to play fresh, but i just dont have the time for multiple mmos like im sure most full time workers dont either

[Onikaroshi]

I dont think thats true. I want to play fresh, but i just dont have the time for multiple mmos like im sure most full time workers dont either

You'd likely be in the minority who would want to play multiple versions of wow (if that's what you mean, if you mean mmo's in general, that's a whole nother can of worms entirely)

[troy garland]

Don't think there's that much splitting honestly.

Splitting assumes people would play a version of the game if another version is not available.

If you can't do 40 man raids in Classic Era reboot, that's just because people don't want to play it, not because its split.

people moved from classic to tbc

that's a split

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You'd likely be in the minority who would want to play multiple versions of wow (if that's what you mean, if you mean mmo's in general, that's a whole nother can of worms entirely)

I don't want to play multiple versions of WoW, because it's a lot of work, but I have to, because I am interested in classic and tbc, and i still have to play the current game to check up on some things and at least make gold to pay for my sub

[Ealyssa]

most full time workers dont either

Most full time workers don't play MMOs at all, and even less even are raiding in said MMO's. So there's that fact...

[Kralljin]

Most full time workers don't play MMOs at all, and even less even are raiding in said MMO's. So there's that fact...

I kinda doubt the statement that a sizeable portion of the Classic / TBC audience does not raid.

[Onikaroshi]

people moved from classic to tbc

that's a split

It wasn't a split, you would have lost the majority anyway if TBC didn't even come out.

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Most full time workers don't play MMOs at all, and even less even are raiding in said MMO's. So there's that fact...

The majority of both of our tbc raid teams are full time workers, so that little "fact" really isn't much of a fact.

[Zequill]

We are already splitting the players base with realms. As soon as you have 2 PVE or 3+ PVP(since those end up polarized alliance horde anyway), you split the population. If you fear that one version might have not enough players to be viable, that just mean you version is bad.

[Ealyssa]

The majority of both of our tbc raid teams are full time workers, so that little "fact" really isn't much of a fact.

red is a color, not all colors are red tho...
But I understand that the concept of "subset" can be hard to understand for the average classic player. Don't worry about it.

[Belloc]

Most full time workers don't play MMOs at all, and even less even are raiding in said MMO's. So there's that fact...

Most full time workers don't play video games. Most full time workers don't play guitar. Most full time workers don't eat curry.

"Most full time workers" is not a meaningful metric.

[Very rare pepe]

So we will soon have 3 verified flavors of classic alongside retail. By the end of next year, we will in all likelihood have wotlk classic and burning crusade classic fully progressed and seasonal in addition to fully progressed servers of classic and seasonal classic.

This for me is a non issue, when TBC is fully out and people have done Sunwell, when WOTLK hits TBC dies just like classic forever died. You will then have WOLK classic, Classic fresh and Retail. Classic fresh can be played along side both TBC and WOTLK as i'd imagine people will raid log or PVP log TBC/WOTLK whilst playing seasonal classic?

And once again once fully progressed seasonal classic servers hit the end, they die. I'd also add that I don't reckon there will be that much of an appetite for constantly playing seasonal classic games, just how the drop off from people that tried classic at launch to TBC classic at launch was huge. A complete non issue IMO.

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people moved from classic to tbc

that's a split

That wasn't a split, that was an exodus. The same will happen when WOTLK hits, TBC dies and so on.

[troy garland]

That wasn't a split, that was an exodus. The same will happen when WOTLK hits, TBC dies and so on.

Some people stayed in Classic, some people moved on, some people play both. It couldn't be more of a split.

And I for example have played TBC since launch and am now going back to Classic to play a bit there. Once Wrath has been released and has released all the content, you'll see people gravitating back towards the other versions of the game, or generally in times of content droughts.

Also the fresh servers are certainly gonna pull people back into Classic.

[Onikaroshi]

Some people stayed in Classic, some people moved on, some people play both. It couldn't be more of a split.

And I for example have played TBC since launch and am now going back to Classic to play a bit there. Once Wrath has been released and has released all the content, you'll see people gravitating back towards the other versions of the game, or generally in times of content droughts.

Also the fresh servers are certainly gonna pull people back into Classic.

It's not a split though, splitting infers that people would stick around if X thing didn't happen. People weren't going to stick around classic forever even if TBC never opened.

Just like they aren't going to stick around TBC p5 forever if they never do wrath.

[Niwes]

Most full time workers don't play video games. Most full time workers don't play guitar. Most full time workers don't eat curry.

"Most full time workers" is not a meaningful metric.

i have another good one for you:

„most fulltime workers do not read this“

leads to a nice infinite ad absurdum.

@Topic: seriously, the last 10 years of my 16 years of wow i know/knew noone that was NOT a fulltime worker tbh. so, no clue where this „fact“ is coming from. at least for the ppl surrounding me (which arent ofc 5 million players) this seems rather non-true.

[troy garland]

It's not a split though, splitting infers that people would stick around if X thing didn't happen. People weren't going to stick around classic forever even if TBC never opened.

Just like they aren't going to stick around TBC p5 forever if they never do wrath.

Split means it's split. It means one part is in one place and another is in another place. This doesn't need to be argued. The introduction of TBC split the playerbase further, just like the initial release of classic servers split the playerbase between the current game and classic.

We don't need to have a discussion on what split means.

[Onikaroshi]

Split means it's split. It means one part is in one place and another is in another place. This doesn't need to be argued. The introduction of TBC split the playerbase further, just like the initial release of classic servers split the playerbase between the current game and classic.

We don't need to have a discussion on what split means.

The only split was possibly some from retail to classic.

You don't seem to understand that people weren't going to stick around anyway, the classic servers would be looking like this eventually without TBC anyway.

[troy garland]

You don't seem to understand that people weren't going to stick around anyway

You don't seem to understand that you have no reason to believe this and are talking out of your ass.

There are no people that have abandoned classic forever just because classic launched. These are all people that love classic. They only go to TBC right now because it's new thing. The logical progression from classic to TBC. You think they played classic for 2 years and are now done with it forever? A lot of them are asking for fresh servers because they want to start over in classic.

When TBC launched, I still wasn't done with classic. I simply switched to TBC for now because I didn't want to miss the launch. Now that I'm pretty much "done" with TBC for now I went back to classic, because there's a lot of things I enjoy more in classic than in TBC. I only have a finite amount of hours to spend on doing anything on any given day. I have to decide between TBC or classic. I have to split my time between those games.

You seem to not really understand why people play classic and TBC in the first place.

[Onikaroshi]

You don't seem to understand that you have no reason to believe this and are talking out of your ass.

There are no people that have abandoned classic forever just because classic launched. These are all people that love classic. They only go to TBC right now because it's new thing. The logical progression from classic to TBC. You think they played classic for 2 years and are now done with it forever? A lot of them are asking for fresh servers because they want to start over in classic.

When TBC launched, I still wasn't done with classic. I simply switched to TBC for now because I didn't want to miss the launch. Now that I'm pretty much "done" with TBC for now I went back to classic, because there's a lot of things I enjoy more in classic than in TBC.

You seem to not really understand why people play classic and TBC in the first place.

Very few people were going to stick around in p6 forever, people love progression. That's the whole point. Without any fresh the servers would be this dead anyway.

It's why FRESH is such a big thing in pservers.

And you're likely in the minority of people who will play tbc but enjoy parts of classic more.