Is There a New Militant spirit in the American Workforce

[Biglog]

"Militant" is a poor choice of words. There also hasn't been the mass exodus from the workplace that some people have the impression of. The vast, vast, majority of businesses are open and operating normally.

As for lower paying jobs, I don't really blame workers that are looking at other careers. Many businesses were very quick to lay off or fire employees the instant the pandemic hit, yet they are shocked that when they call employees to come back to work a year later some tell them no thanks. Additionally, at the lower end wages have definitely been far behind cost of living and inflation increases for 30 years. Companies enjoyed the profits of underpaying employees for many, many, years, and there does seem to finally be a correction in the marketplace for the lesser skilled jobs. Many fast food or retail jobs (not in major metro cities where cost of living is high) across the country in most areas have been paying $8-9/hour still for over 20 years. The marketplace is saying that is no longer acceptable and is correcting itself. This is one reason why minimum wage laws are kind of irrelevant, the market will adjust naturally one way or another. Burger King will start paying $15/hour nationwide before their restaurants sit idle because they are still trying to pay $9/hour in a market where people won't work for that anymore.

As a side-note before conservatives decry the outrage of paying employees a decent wage, $15/hour is less than babysitters in parts of the EU make.

[Draco-Onis]

There's no widespread polling on the reasons for increases in people quitting, and we're still in the midst of a pandemic.
Home care workers face deadline to get vaccinated in NY


https://katv.com/news/nation-world/h...ccinated-in-ny


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/07/ibm-...uspension.html

No polling on who's quitting ahead of that mandate.


https://www.newson6.com/story/616874...cine-mandates-

Sadly, still falling short of full national statistics. Who's quitting ahead of mandates coming to federal contractors and feared to be coming on all employers with more than 100 employees? Who's quitting because they have children who have no other caretaker when their schools close down for weeks after some staff or kids test positive for COVID?

I know any minor increase in workers quitting jobs is tough to disentangle from pandemic and mandate policy-related reasons. And without large sample size polling, which probably won't be available for another month or two months, it's incredibly hard to lay the blame at cost of living increases not able to be born with current pay. And one labor union strike after contract negotiations fail is the same kind of anecdotal evidence that should be weighed against the other anecdotal evidence of quitting ahead of/concurrent with mandates.


Good inclusion.

I see what you are trying to imply but it's downright pathetic, do vaccine mandates have the power to travel back in time? because this is a trend that's been ongoing even before they were stated. The right wing crazies blamed it on benefits but those expired or were cut by republicans long ago it has continued. So your narrative is a work of pure fiction since vaccine mandates are fairly new.

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Nah we should just trust entirely unsourced claims instead. /s

There is such a thing as having a mind so open that your brain falls out the back of your head, you know.

Well to be fair he has stated that he doesn't believe in facts.

[Rasulis]

Dunno about militant. The bottom line, right now workers have a LOT of leverage. This is the best time to push for better compensation.

[D Luniz]

I don't remember who, but someone on this forum once asked if the numbers could be explained y people dropping their 2nd job, due to the other job offering better wages and benefits to get them to stick with them.
Seeing unemployment is still dropping, wages have gone up slightly. The only people whining about jobs are people trying to fill service jobs, the ones where we get to see entitled dicks scream at them because they want a haircut after a month and won't wear a mask. Or might just outright attack them.

[Milchshake]

I don't remember who, but someone on this forum once asked if the numbers could be explained y people dropping their 2nd job, due to the other job offering better wages and benefits to get them to stick with them.
Seeing unemployment is still dropping, wages have gone up slightly. The only people whining about jobs are people trying to fill service jobs, the ones where we get to see entitled dicks scream at them because they want a haircut after a month and won't wear a mask. Or might just outright attack them.

I think it was FascistTony in one of his many "Seattle is Dying" threads, after the min wage was raised here.

He also claimed to have advanced studies in economics. But he also did not understand how progressive tax brackets work. "Why would I make a penny over $250k is the govment is gonna take half my money!"

So ya, bragging on a gaming forum that you're a self proclaimed economic genius, is really a nice invitation to mockery

[Draco-Onis]

You seemed to have the same reaction to my post, I believe. However I did mention that it was only a straw, like in the proverb "the straw that broke the camel's back". I never once stated that the entirety of the workforce that refuses to go back to work is solely because of the mandates. Current estimates seem to state that it's only about 4-5% of the workforce that refuses to go to work because of the vaccine mandates.

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A lot of the things which people consistently and furiously defend as "facts" tend to get debunked a few years later (once the elections simmered down).

Or some of the things which are claimed as myth suddenly turn out to be true.

Does the straw have time travel power? This is a continuation of a trend. I will leave your lack of understanding basic science and the scientific method for another time.

[tehdang]

I see what you are trying to imply but it's downright pathetic, do vaccine mandates have the power to travel back in time? because this is a trend that's been ongoing even before they were stated. The right wing crazies blamed it on benefits but those expired or were cut by republicans long ago it has continued. So your narrative is a work of pure fiction since vaccine mandates are fairly new.

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Well to be fair he has stated that he doesn't believe in facts.

Then the thread should be more like, "Will the trend going back X years continue into the future?"

Instead, the thread cites "New Militant Spirit." So you, and he, have to hurdle all the aspects of the new in terms of job losses, instead of relying on old trends to make your argument for you.

[Draco-Onis]

Then the thread should be more like, "Will the trend going back X years continue into the future?"

Instead, the thread cites "New Militant Spirit." So you, and he, have to hurdle all the aspects of the new in terms of job losses, instead of relying on old trends to make your argument for you.

I didn't create the thread take it up with the op. For the data to show what you imply it would have to be a spike not another line in a trend. Lastly it's a federal vaccine mandate quiting your job because of it is idiotic. All the jobs have the same requirement, it's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Elegiac]

Then the thread should be more like, "Will the trend going back X years continue into the future?"

You know you can just admit you don't have an argument.

[Hollycakes]

Yup all these conservatives were blaming the benefits for this are now silent sadly grasping for straws saying it's the mask mandates. It's pretty obvious people are fed up, this pandemic has been going on for 2 years it would be amazing if people's priorities didn't change.

This.
I want to point out I posted this in the Trump thread before this thread was made, asking our patriot friends here to explain and got ZERO response.
Yuppie and co will spend pages on CCP microchip nonsense and I got nothing.
Between the lines, I was obviously implying covid's impact were a factor here and Breccia's response right after mine highlights that.
Again, so many words from them and so little substance.

Help me understand something if you guys don't mind.

"Voluntary resignations jumped to 4.3 million in August, the highest on records dating back to December 2000, and up from 4 million in July, the Labor Department said in its monthly Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey, or JOLTS report, on Tuesday."

I was told Biden (and only he!) was to blame for all the government handouts he was giving as the reason why people weren't working.
Remember all the patriot governors refusing the money?
Those heroes were stopping this I thought?
If those payments were ending, why would people quit?
Remember he pays everyone to stay home, yet they aren't getting paid now.
What am I missing?
Was I lied to?

[tehdang]

I didn't create the thread take it up with the op. For the data to show what you imply it would have to be a spike not another line in a trend. Lastly it's a federal vaccine mandate quiting your job because of it is idiotic. All the jobs have the same requirement, it's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Neither did I post at something you had said, but at the OP post & topic.

[Shadowferal]

As a side-note before conservatives decry the outrage of paying employees a decent wage, $15/hour is less than babysitters in parts of the EU make.

With inflation blowing up, I don't believe many are considering $15 an hour anymore. More like $20/hr.

[JohnBrown1917]

Min. wage in the US won't go up as long as you got your Sinemas doing cutesy 'no' votes on any bill that is intended to raise it.

[Elegiac]

Min. wage in the US won't go up as long as you got your Sinemas doing cutesy 'no' votes on any bill that is intended to raise it.

Apropos of nothing, I have the perfect song for Miss Sinema.

[Gestopft]

Min. wage in the US won't go up as long as you got your Sinemas doing cutesy 'no' votes on any bill that is intended to raise it.

But on the other hand, have you considered her quirky and fun blouses?

(/s)

[shimerra]

Oh, and another point. I wouldn't even trust the numbers that are being reported there either. US media is perhaps the most unreliable in the entire world nowadays with all of them being politically affiliated one way or the other.

Why then Mr Armchair insurrectionist is your ass an improvement over media in America when you're on record supporting violence based on a lie?

[Zython]

I'll believe it once we see some mansions catch fire.

[Milchshake]

Do Very Online Socialists only measure Worker Militancy in setting fires and guillotine memes?

The past few years have seen a rising number of Direct Actions from various unions.

Shortly before midnight on Wednesday, production workers at a John Deere facility in Waterloo, Iowa, started shutting down the plant, quenching the furnaces in the foundry. The plant was already mostly empty, with Deere telling overnight workers to stay home. Three days earlier, union members at United Auto Workers meetings in Iowa, Illinois, and Kansas had voted overwhelmingly to reject a proposed contract that gave subinflation raises and eliminated pensions for all new hires. The rejection came as a surprise to both the union leadership and the company; even some of the workers who had voted no and authorized a strike were surprised that it was actually happening. The 10,000 workers who walked off the job are striking Deere for the first time in 35 years. “Just confirmed Waterloo has their picket signs,” one worker said before the strike began. “Shit’s about to get real.”

• They join 2,000 hospital workers striking in Buffalo, New York;
• 1,400 production workers for Kellogg’s in four states;
• 450 steelworkers in Huntington, West Virginia;
• and a one-day walk-off of 2,000 telecommunications workers in California, all since October 1.
• One thousand Alabama coal miners,
• 700 nurses in Massachusetts,
• 400 whiskeymakers in Kentucky, and
• 200 bus drivers in Reno, Nevada, were already on strike,
• in addition to recently settled strikes by 2,000 carpenters in Washington,
• 600 Frito-Lay workers in Kansas, and
• 1,000 Nabisco factory workers at five plants across the country.

And there are tens of thousands of workers waiting in the wings, with 37,000 health care workers at Kaiser in Oregon, California, and Hawaii who have either authorized a strike or are about to as well as several large unions of academic workers also readying to strike. More than 60,000 film and television workers were prepared to walk out, with 90 percent of International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees members voting 98 percent to strike, before a tentative contract was reached on Saturday. IATSE members will vote on whether to ratify that contract this week.

This strike wave isn’t the 1940s, when 1 in 10 U.S. workers went on strike in the space of a year. But it isn’t the labor lull of the 2010s, either, when large strike activity in the private sector fell toward zero. Today, workers are increasingly militant — that is, unwilling to accept bad terms of employment — but they are not particularly organized. With union density at a historical nadir, the unions are playing an inspirational role, but they aren’t the only source of the action. What we’re seeing now is strike activity beginning to rise from a decadeslong trough as the “essential” worker — a new category of worker born of the coronavirus pandemic — challenges the boss to make good on that designation.

[Yuujin]

I read that in some states 25 to 40% of the workforce quit over the past 1-2 months due to vaccine mandates. While those numbers might be questionable, there is no doubt at least a considerable impact if even 5 to 10% of the workforce is quitting over that particular reason.

Again, this is why no one takes you seriously. 25 to 40% 'in some states' of the workforce quitting over the past 1-2 months over vaccine mandates? Are you one of those gullible idiots that believed Trump when he said the real unemployment rate might be as high as 42%?

Do you ever stop to ask yourself why your sources make such baseless, outlandish claims and more importantly why you fall for and parrot them? Or do you really just enjoy shitposting?

[Elegiac]

Heh.

Nearly 40% of California state workers are unvaccinated against COVID-19:

You do realise that this is not the same thing as your claim that "25 to 40% of the workforce quit over vaccine mandates", right?

Keep moving those goalposts, though.