Looks like Liquid maybe starting soon.
THD is streaming and so is Driney.
https://www.twitch.tv/thdlock
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That's not what people seem to disagree with,
It's the take, that top 20 guilds are almost in skill level. And the only thing differentiating them is gear.
Yes the race has become about splits because of the power thresholds in getting 4pc or certain pieces like weapon or trinkets. But making a baseless claim that they are equal in skill level with proving otherwise is rather silly. I
Well, "skill" in these contexts - where there's enormous disparities in every aspect of the competition - is hard to nail down anyway.
Does all the time poured into these fights make a difference? Hell yes.
Does all the gear make a difference? Hell yes.
Does all the support around the organizations and assistance from all angles make a difference? Of course.
Are they also really good players? Well of course they are.
Can we objectively quantify how much more skillful a player in Liquid is than a player in Method? Or <insert top 20 guild here> or even a top 100 guild? Not so much. It's not an easy set of comparisons to make considering all the variables. Is a player in a guild that raids two nights a week for 4 hours and has no external support just automatically worse? We really can't say just from that.
I am 100% sure, that all guilds will kill jailer on mythic this week with one week more of gear (even tho most of them already have higher gear than echo to begin with).
All guilds of top20 and most of top 100 will get the kill this week, 100% sure. I mean, it's all about gear, skill is even.
All of the top 100 might be stretching it, since while the top 100 has exceptional players: they often have people with real jobs and limited time.
The top 20 though is hard to not do it since those are usually obscenely good players (and if the 20th won't do it: maybe the 22nd etc.).
I think it went over your head. I was calling Sco Tom Brady. How is that disrespectful?
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This had nothing to do with "unreal levels ahead" lol. Limit was holding their lust til an unoptimal time while echo lusted at the start so it would be used to its max potential + up at the end. That was the only difference. It wasnt unreal levels ahead type shit lol.
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It was their first recognized. You dont finish #10 without trying to be first. You have to put in serious time. I think the Antorus raid they were like 7th. Again, dont move the goal posts.
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Remember the good old says of people thinking he'd fall over with double leggies?
Sylvanas or Argus were bosses that just needed a bit more gear to be punched in the face. Jailer seems one of the most technical encounters Blizzard has ever designed. Hell even on Heroic he's not necessarily a boss you'll be able to munch just with more gear.
Also, the idea that the top 20 guilds are completely equal to the very top and the only difference is being handed over split runs is nonsense. Individual players in those guilds might easily be better at their class than anyone in Liquid or Echo (and I'm not just talking parses which is only part of being good) but guilds are more than the sum of their parts. Leadership, organization, the backend stuff like Weakauras and WClog crunching, motivation, all that enters into the WF race. We've seen it firsthand here where Echo remained 100% focused all race long while Liquid was far less disciplined and obviously floundered and lacked direction when they fell behind.
Not to say gear and splits aren't important, else guilds wouldn't be doing it. But it's hardly the only thing that's different when even top 20 guilds more often than not copy all their strats from WF saving them tons of time and pain.
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That is true, but Sco stands out as the driving force behind Method. While he has proven to be a dickhead, even to his viewers, sometimes, I must say I admire his endurance in the face of adversity. Not only to lose the talent, but also longtime friends. I mean, when the Serenity thing happened, Rogerbrown, Perfecto and Justwait stayed loyal to Sco. Not this time around though.
I'm ready to bet Method makes 2nd place or narrow 3rd this tier.
You incapable of having a convo without insults? Some of you act like youre literal 10 year olds. Oh noes someone disagrees, lets sling insults!!!!
When they were using lust p3, it wasnt a strat difference, it was an execution difference. They literally bait the same way and do the same things. Echo just executed better. It had ZERO to do with strategy.
On actual topic. Its looking like Method is going to finish 2nd or 3rd. Thats wild considering the full rebuild.
Last edited by Tonkaden; 2022-03-28 at 08:59 PM.
Method has made some great progress today. I still think Limit will just beat them to 2nd but they look nailed on for at worst 3rd.
looks like limit changed p2 strat to have no downtime now. boss will probably die today for them