It's time to remove class/race restrictions.

[ChairmanKaga]

That would be a Druid of the Nightmare.

Sounds good

druids of the Nightmare become increasingly divorced from the natural order. Druids of the Nightmare transform into vermin such as monstrous scorpions or monstrous spiders instead of the animals other druids choose.

[Rockefellah]

Coming from a scientific apparoach, they'd be Botanists.
So, i imagine that their animal forms would be very much flesh and blood. Think of it like the Ethereals' biodomes. Some kind of a greenhouse for plant and animal life.
Mechagnomes, on the other hand, would probably be like transformers.

This actually convinced me to switch to team Gnome Druids and have a unique distinction between a regular Gnome botanist and a mega Gnome tinkerer/mechanist

[username993720]

This actually convinced me to switch to team Gnome Druids and have a unique distinction between a regular Gnome botanist and a mega Gnome tinkerer/mechanist

You can already see the difference in Mechagon:


Artificial garden.

[Piamonte]

They are trained by the exact same monks as everyone else. You can ignore lore to create your own idea of the races but don't try to pass it off as anything but your own head canon. It isn't just gameplay that Tauren can learn to be "agile" enough to be monks in the game.

Your own dismissal though shows that a Tauren rogue can exist. They are just a rogue with their own unique racial twist but play the same as any other because of gameplay, right?

So if we go to a master of martial arts and we have different type bodies and different physical prowess, when we are finish training we are going to be exactly the same??.

Not everyone can be a rogue as not everyone can practice Sudo, you need a special body type to do it.

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Grimtotem Tauren already exist.

Like they havent fucked up the lore before. Also Grimtotem being rogues was probably a way to show that they are shady and somewhat evil. They are probably more bandits than rogue, and the fact they are rogues is just gameplay.

[rhorle]

So if you go to a master of martial arts and we have different type bodies and different physical prowess when we are finish training we are going to be exactly the same??.

The teacher would teach the same thing to each pupil, right? Monks require agility so in order to master it the Tauren would also need to be agile even if his body and prowess is different then a gnome monk. Tauren already have the special body type by virtue of being a monk. It is amazing that you are seriously trying to claim that a monk requires less agility then a rogue.

Think about that for a second. A Tauren that can roll around, do flying kicks, spinning kicks, fast punches, and the rest can't also be agile enough to be a rogue.

[Piamonte]

The teacher would teach the same thing to each pupil, right? Monks require agility so in order to master it the Tauren would also need to be agile even if his body and prowess is different then a gnome monk. Tauren already have the special body type by virtue of being a monk. It is amazing that you are seriously trying to claim that a monk requires less agility then a rogue.

Think about that for a second. A Tauren that can roll around, do flying kicks, spinning kicks, fast punches, and the rest can't also be agile enough to be a rogue.

It is physically impossible for taurens to be agile, they are huge and slow in movement.

There dont have a special body type by virtue of being a monk, lol, they are novices, if you start learning a martial art you adquire all the physical strenght and agility you need just by virtue of joining the class??. The answer is NO.

You are not getting my point. Tauren monks are not the same as pandaren monks, they probably fight differently, they use their huge body and strenght as their main resource while other races use their agility. This cant happen with rogues because the main requirement to be rogues is the agility.

[TheRevenantHero]

It is physically impossible for taurens to be agile, they are huge and slow in movement.

There dont have a special body type by virtue of being a monk, lol, they are novices, if you start learning a martial art you adquire all the physical strenght and agility you need just by virtue of joining the class??. The answer is NO.

You are not getting my point. Tauren monks are not the same as pandaren monks, they probably fight differently, they use their huge body and strenght as their main resource while other races use their agility. This cant happen with rogues because the main requirement to be rogues is the agility.

If tauren can be monks, they can be rogues. Not all rogues are agile. There are the big bruisers who know how to properly hit someone to cause the most pain. You also don't need to be small/agile to move silently. It's all about controlling your footsteps. Mob enforcers were big but also rather silent. So saying tauren simply can't be rogues is just you not understanding that there are numerous types of rogues.

[rhorle]

It is physically impossible for taurens to be agile, they are huge and slow in movement.

Have you seen the monk class at all? Stop basing things off of adherence to a stereotype. Tauren monks are as good as any other monks according to lore and there is nothing back up your head canon that they are novice monks barely able to roll around or do anything normal monks do. I am getting your point. It is just flat out wrong based on lore.

If a class that requires agility can be replaced with strength then another class that requires agility can be replaced with strength. That is what you don't get about your reasoning. The exception for Tauren monks equally applies to Tauren rogues. You can't have it both ways. Strength can replace agility for a class or it can't.

[username993720]

Like they havent fucked up the lore before. Also Grimtotem being rogues was probably a way to show that they are shady and somewhat evil. They are probably more bandits than rogue, and the fact they are rogues is just gameplay.

Bandits are Rogues.

It is physically impossible for taurens to be agile, they are huge and slow in movement.

There dont have a special body type by virtue of being a monk, lol, they are novices, if you start learning a martial art you adquire all the physical strenght and agility you need just by virtue of joining the class??. The answer is NO.

You are not getting my point. Tauren monks are not the same as pandaren monks, they probably fight differently, they use their huge body and strenght as their main resource while other races use their agility. This cant happen with rogues because the main requirement to be rogues is the agility.

Don't think of them as Minotaurs. Think of them as native americans. Would they be able to be Rogues?

[Rockefellah]

It is physically impossible for taurens to be agile, they are huge and slow in movement.

There dont have a special body type by virtue of being a monk, lol, they are novices, if you start learning a martial art you adquire all the physical strenght and agility you need just by virtue of joining the class??. The answer is NO.

You are not getting my point. Tauren monks are not the same as pandaren monks, they probably fight differently, they use their huge body and strenght as their main resource while other races use their agility. This cant happen with rogues because the main requirement to be rogues is the agility.

To me the rogue is not just the silent sneaky assassin arch theme. With legion's changes to combat, making it more clearer a pirate type has helped a lot in this I think.

Fleet Master Seahorn and Mr. Smite are direct examples that come to mind.

Another arch theme is fighting dirty, not sneaky. Giving the sucker punch in the kidneys, using a garrot, poison etc. All not directly linked to Subtlety.

Just like Undead Priests are cannon shadow, and not discipline/holy - Tauren Rogues are Assassination and Outlaw.

[rhorle]

Just like Undead Priests are cannon shadow, and not discipline/holy - Tauren Rogues are Assassination and Outlaw.

It is canon that undead can channel the light. It just makes them feel like they are burning but they still do it. That same feeling happens when they are healed by the light as well.

[Jngizu]

any race/class combo can make sense with a lore justification, and they all have. there are pretty much examples of every conceivable race/class combinations in the world itself, so there's not much question in whether or not it's possible.

Pretty sure Void Elves can't be Paladins, same as Demon Hunters. Lightforged probably can't be DH either. Everything else is fine I guess. And I say that as someone who really wants to play Void Elf DH.

[Piamonte]

Have you seen the monk class at all? Stop basing things off of adherence to a stereotype. Tauren monks are as good as any other monks according to lore and there is nothing back up your head canon that they are novice monks barely able to roll around or do anything normal monks do. I am getting your point. It is just flat out wrong based on lore.

If a class that requires agility can be replaced with strength then another class that requires agility can be replaced with strength. That is what you don't get about your reasoning. The exception for Tauren monks equally applies to Tauren rogues. You can't have it both ways. Strength can replace agility for a class or it can't.

So a rogue that is all about moving fast and being sneaky can function the same but having strenght instead of having agility??. That doesnt make sense.

Different body types affect your ability to being good at certain martial arts, some martial arts are more demanding of certain specific body types while others work around them, you can be huge and have as a main resource your strenght and still be a monk but you cant be huge and use strenght and still be a rogue, the same way you can be huge or small and still practice karate but you cant practice sudo unless you are really big and fat.

Also rogues are supposed to be ninjas, have you ever heard of a fat ninja in the history of japan?? Because i havent.

[Kallisto]

That would be a Druid of the Nightmare.

Just have to get past the lore where Undead simply put can not use life magic at all.

[rhorle]

So a rogue that is all about moving fast and being sneaky can function the same but having strenght instead of having agility??. That doesnt make sense.

So a monk that is all about moving fast, kicking, rolling, and all the other agile things can function the same but having strength instead of having agility? If it makes sense for monks it does for rogues. You are creating a double standard and have backed yourself into a corner simply because you don't the idea of Tauren rogues but have to rationalize how they can be monks.

Also rogues are supposed to be ninjas, have you ever heard of a fat ninja in the history of japan?? Because i havent.

Tell me you haven't played Mists of Pandaria without telling me you haven't played Mists of Pandaria. The Shado-pan are ninjas in the lore that are monks and fat. But again you'll create a double standard and some weird rationale for why Tauren are the exception. Give it up already and simply admit that you have no lore based rationale for opposing them becoming Rogues and it is simply because you don't like the idea.

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Just have to get past the lore where Undead simply put can not use life magic at all.

If that is part of the lore why can they be Hunters that use nature magic? Also don't monks draw upon Chi which is nature magic and the shaman type of power that Shamans draw upon. Though the spirit aspect has never been defined that well I think so it is possible it isn't nature/life.

[Dejiko]

Fully agreed, no exceptions and no restrictions.

[Piamonte]

So a monk that is all about moving fast, kicking, rolling, and all the other agile things can function the same but having strength instead of having agility? If it makes sense for monks it does for rogues. You are creating a double standard and have backed yourself into a corner simply because you don't the idea of Tauren rogues but have to rationalize how they can be monks.



Tell me you haven't played Mists of Pandaria without telling me you haven't played Mists of Pandaria. The Shado-pan are ninjas in the lore that are monks and fat. But again you'll create a double standard and some weird rationale for why Tauren are the exception. Give it up already and simply admit that you have no lore based rationale for opposing them becoming Rogues and it is simply because you don't like the idea.

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If that is part of the lore why can they be Hunters that use nature magic? Also don't monks draw upon Chi which is nature magic and the shaman type of power that Shamans draw upon. Though the spirit aspect has never been defined that well I think so it is possible it isn't nature/life.

Im not creating a double standard, there is a double standard, there are different martial arts, some require a certain body type and others can adapt, monks can adapt their teaching to the body of a tauren, rogues cant, the same way people with different body types can do karate, but only one body type can do sudo.

[Snufflupagus]

There should be more restrictions, not less.

[Rockefellah]

There should be more restrictions, not less.

Which would you restrict?

[SR84]

Lore be damned. Individuals can do whatever the hell they want. There's no reason to think that there isnt a tauren somewhere who wants to be an assassin. Especially if a fat kultiran guy can.

Individuals are not bound by the crap loaded onto their race.