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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    but they cheer the CSA he fought against and was killed by
    Just a casual reminder that the "party of Lincoln" people were the ones who waved around a confederate flag when they broke into the capitol building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Had to see the video for myself. It’s crazy how often the GQP is just saying the quiet part out loud in the last 10 years.
    Even worse that their membership continually nods their appeasement of the willfully ignorant leaders. They almost can't think for themselves anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    I have an uncle in that bubble, thankfully just the one, and it’s mind boggling to me someone who worked for the CIA as long as he did buys this bullshit hook, line, and sinker. That’s the part that really gets me. Actually intelligent people who are happy to switch off their logic circuits for obvious pablum.
    That is a little scary - someone who worked in the CIA falling for all of this.

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    That is a little scary - someone who worked in the CIA falling for all of this.
    Pride is a helluva drug
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    When I first saw that quote I thought it just had to be hyperbole. There was no way that even a dolt like Gohmert would say something so stupid, right? Then I saw the actual video for myself and realized that he is that stupid, revealing he was even dumber than I already thought he was.
    "If you are ever asking yourself 'Is Trump lying or is he stupid?', the answer is most likely C: All of the Above" - Seth Meyers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    I have an uncle in that bubble, thankfully just the one, and it’s mind boggling to me someone who worked for the CIA as long as he did buys this bullshit hook, line, and sinker. That’s the part that really gets me. Actually intelligent people who are happy to switch off their logic circuits for obvious pablum.
    A former highschool robotics teacher of mine had previously worked as a scientist at JPL. In the years since he's slowly become an ultra-right wing mouthpiece on facebook, spreading misinformation about COVID and conspiracies about various democratic politicians and liberal figures.

    I don't know about your uncle, but this teacher of mine is rather old at this point and I assume he had been a lifelong republican (quite understandably, I don't speak with him anymore.) I think people that supported the GOP in the past still mistakenly think the party represents the morals that it ostensibly did back in their day and that's why they follow them, rather than them being strictly attracted to the current batshit insane rhetroic of the GOP like a lot of younger, poorly educated angry white men might be- the GOP's only real demographic they control a majority of.

    While the end result of these older people supporting terrible people, believing idiotic things and being dangerous sources of misinformation is the same, it's important to note that they didn't all arrive there because they're all a bunch of racists or uneducated hicks. I thank God that certain former republicans like my mother were able to see through the absolute bullshit spewing from the modern GOP and reject them, but a lot of my relatives on her side of the family didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    So definitely at no point in my 35 years then lol
    Yes. Eisenhower was the last "good" republican president, who actually cared about his constituents. Or at least who he considered his constituents. Warned about MIC, supported social programs, integrated schools.

    Since then it's been nixon/ford, reagan, bushes, and trump. So, in order, resignation under threat of impeachment and then pardoned, fucking the middle class and should have been impeached but the next item on the list covered for the presidency, should have been an impeachment but pardoned the people who would have testified, war crimes, then two impeachments with a side of pardoning war crimes. If you're 35, the republican party has been firmly entrenched in racial bigotry and religious persecution your entire life, using those hoods to pull the wool over the eyes of their voters while they destroyed the workers' place in our economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I don't know about your uncle, but this teacher of mine is rather old at this point and I assume he had been a lifelong republican (quite understandably, I don't speak with him anymore.) I think people that supported the GOP in the past still mistakenly think the party represents the morals that it ostensibly did back in their day and that's why they follow them, rather than them being strictly attracted to the current batshit insane rhetroic of the GOP like a lot of younger, poorly educated angry white men might be- the GOP's only real demographic they control a majority of.
    The teacher would have to be in their mid 80s or older to believe the morals of the GOP are any different now than they were when they were 18.
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post

    The teacher would have to be in their mid 80s or older to believe the morals of the GOP are any different now than they were when they were 18.
    They probably got their politics from their parents who were Republicans back when people like Eisenhower were president.

    And while you could argue (quite accurately) that the political aims of the GOP in the 70s, 80s and 90s were basically the same as the aims of the GOP now, the way they presented it back in those times was far less... insidious, let's say? And the spread of information wasn't so rapid that people could hear about every scandal, accusation. disgusting comment and piece of legislative malfeasance that the GOP pulled or attempted to pull like they can today.

    I'd argue that this sort of modern, disgusting sheen of the Republican party began in earnest under Bush Jr (that's when "unquestioning idiot-patriot" started to become strictly synonymous with "republican") and at every step of the way when the GOP had the opportunity to turn around they instead doubled down on their stupidity until they got Trump.

    But the seeds of "hate the democrat unquestioningly, and fear these groups we tell you to fear, because they're coming to steal your way of life" had taken root for many people. Politics had become such a team sport for them that there was no turning back, and they believe unquestioningly what the new, modern crop of dangerously insane GOP politicians and mouthpieces tell them to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I'd argue that this sort of modern, disgusting sheen of the Republican party began in earnest under Bush Jr (that's when "unquestioning idiot-patriot" started to become strictly synonymous with "republican") and at every step of the way when the GOP had the opportunity to turn around they instead doubled down on their stupidity until they got Trump.
    It started before then but party lines weren't as hardened yet.

    Jesse Helms used to be on TV and his editorials were pretty much Tucker Carlson on steroids. He was one of the first Dixiecrats to leave for the GOP and he organized others to follow throughout the 70s.
    Roger Aisles was also hugely influenced by Nixon's loss to JFK. He recognized Nixon's problems on TV and help correct them. No wonder he was followed by two Hollywood people and someone who can at least fake it as a rural-type.
    I imagine Aisles wanted politics to be a lot more combative but he was helped along by Newt Gingrich.
    The Koch's breaking up with Libertarian Party in 1984 caused them to shift their money to the GOP.

    I think 1994's Contract with America is where it all started. All the elements were present by then. Many of the later Tea Party were part of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pterodactylus View Post
    The republican party is just a shell of the great party it once was.
    Well it was really never a great party, even under Lincoln and Roosevelt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    Yeah I'm fairly certain that Gohmert is legitimately a dumbfuck.

    This is the same idiot who asked the national forest service if the moon's orbit could be altered.
    I have actually met the man on more than one occasion and served as an escort when he visited our agency. Pretty much I summed him up as the Southern Lawyer Chicken from Futurama. Now I am gonna be nice and say there is some wit with the man and he does have some charisma but, its like trump, its more flattery and telling people what they want to hear. He wasn't too bad in small doses but as the day wore on he really started to test my patience, which makes sense as a politician you just tell Your donors what they want to hear, flatter them a bit and move on. As you all can see he's not the sharpest mind as he did his inquiries and we really needed to "dumb" down a few of the topics for him to understand.

    Now I do not like knocking on people's looks/body's but the man has a really nasty case of "old man" smell. Now its nowhere close to Sen. Burr (which I lost my mind when I realized he didn't have any socks) but yeah............at the end of the walkthrough I was getting kinda annoyed with him....

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