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    Republicans are only 4 states away from a constitutional convention.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...d-constitution

    In a recent primetime address, President Joe Biden spoke about “the soul of the nation” – calling out rightwing forces for their numerous efforts to undermine, if not overthrow, our democracy. Biden’s speech was prescient, in more ways than one. In addition to many Republicans promoting the “big lie” that the 2020 election was stolen and working to fill elected offices with people ready to subvert the will of the people, there is a conservative movement underway to radically rewrite the US constitution.

    The right has already packed the supreme court and is reaping the rewards, with decisions from Dobbs to Bruen that radically reinterpret the constitution in defiance of precedent and sound legal reasoning. But factions of the right are not satisfied to wait for the court to reinterpret the constitution. Instead, they have set their sights on literally rewriting our foundational document.
    I cannot stress this enough. GO OUT AND VOTE! We MUST defeat the Republicans.

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    What a convention like this would impose would be:

    1) Repeal of the 16th & 17th Amendments
    2) Term Limits

    Essentially you'd completely remove the ability for voters to decide their elected officials are; and you'd remove voters ability to have them go back to Congress.

    It would be yet another nail where rural interests are going to take a front seat over that of urban ones and the republic will be worse off as a result sending us closer to actual armed conflict.

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    I believe the cold, hard truth is that the majority of the two parties aren't that different. There are differences, but not ones that actually impact the lives of the moderates within either party. They can debate them all day, but it doesn't really matter to their individual lives or are things they can tolerate even if they don't go their way. I can name a bunch of shit Democrats or Republicans didn't care about (or agreed on) that they suddenly mainline because it gets them 2% more votes over their opponent. That's why our European allies tend to consider ALL of us to their right, regardless of party affiliation. People who actually hold differing opinions are considered the extremes (though they aren't really) are progressives on the left or the alt-right(?) on the right. The left shuns progressives, resulting in a lost, while the right takes what it can get, a net gain. Because of this, even though conservatives aren't seen as popular in pop culture they can still hold-on, even in key races, at the polls.

    When everyone is trying to play centrists/moderate, the ones who are willing to listen to the outliers win. The GOP is much better at playing the meta game, and it shows. Don't need popular support when you can hold all the critical positions and know your opponent only plays it safe. Dems have to actually put some shit on the table instead of banking on 'vote for us so the other side doesn't run the table'. Otherwise, Dems will continue to have an uphill turnout battle while the GOP can at least bank on winning enough positions to obstruct the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffinat0r View Post
    What a convention like this would impose would be:

    1) Repeal of the 16th & 17th Amendments
    2) Term Limits

    Essentially you'd completely remove the ability for voters to decide their elected officials are; and you'd remove voters ability to have them go back to Congress.

    It would be yet another nail where rural interests are going to take a front seat over that of urban ones and the republic will be worse off as a result sending us closer to actual armed conflict.
    Uhh, term limits are a good thing dude. Look what kind of damage shits like McConnell and Pelosi can do when they can cling to power for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    Uhh, term limits are a good thing dude. Look what kind of damage shits like McConnell and Pelosi can do when they can cling to power for decades.
    Get stuff done? If people want to serve their country and gain experience serving their country, they should be allowed to do it as long as their voters allow them too.

    Term limits means the revolving door between reps and lobbyists spins even faster. If McConnell was gone after his term was over, he would still be pulling people’s strings while running his donor network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    Uhh, term limits are a good thing dude. Look what kind of damage shits like McConnell and Pelosi can do when they can cling to power for decades.
    Getting money out of politics (to the greatest reasonable extent) would solve every problem term limits purports to solve, and without the negatives of imposing term limits. It's one of those things that sounds nice, but when you dig into the reasons most people support term limits, they don't really have anything to do with how long a politician has been in office. It's not like DC exists in an alternate reality that gradually saps its residents' capacity to connect with the outside world. The DC "bubble" that distances politicians from the needs of their constituents is made of donor money and lobbying- and term limits would most likely exacerbate- not ameliorate- the effects of money in politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    Uhh, term limits are a good thing dude. Look what kind of damage shits like McConnell and Pelosi can do when they can cling to power for decades.
    Bro--Michigan has them and guess which lobby industry wrote all the healthcare laws after they adopted the term limits? BCBS of MI wrote basically a monopoly over employee group benefits because they had term limits.

    Term limits on legislatures are a horrible idea. There's a white paper out there titled "Implementing Term Limits: The Case of the Michigan Legislature" Marjorie Sarbaugh-Thompson and Lyke Thompson pubished in the Legislative Politics and Policy Making: Via the University of Michigan. You should read it:

    Essentially term limits without finance reform works like this:

    Individuals are more likely to use their elected position for another elected position, increasing political career making, not decreasing it.
    Individuals who worked as legislative aides are now the most valuable people around government. They have the connections, the institutional knowledge, and they're not elected so they can stay.

    It's literally everything you hate about politics amplified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffinat0r View Post
    Bro--Michigan has them and guess which lobby industry wrote all the healthcare laws after they adopted the term limits? BCBS of MI wrote basically a monopoly over employee group benefits because they had term limits.

    Term limits on legislatures are a horrible idea. There's a white paper out there titled "Implementing Term Limits: The Case of the Michigan Legislature" Marjorie Sarbaugh-Thompson and Lyke Thompson pubished in the Legislative Politics and Policy Making: Via the University of Michigan. You should read it:

    Essentially term limits without finance reform works like this:

    Individuals are more likely to use their elected position for another elected position, increasing political career making, not decreasing it.
    Individuals who worked as legislative aides are now the most valuable people around government. They have the connections, the institutional knowledge, and they're not elected so they can stay.

    It's literally everything you hate about politics amplified.
    That is because lobbying is the problem not term limits, campaign reform needs to be done in this country badly but it will never happen because politicians aren't going to uproot the source of their paycheck after they leave office.

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