Auction House Guide, Vanish Bugs, Comics

[Damax]

I was doing lv 77 rings and de'ing when naxx was the instance to do. however nowadays on Shattered hand-us, with Eternal earths going for 9 golds and shadows for 6 golds. you have to be LUCKY on procs to make a considerable amount of money. The borean leathers sells for 1 g piece FAR from this guide's 25 s piece. the cobalt sells for 1-2 g per bar again far from this guide. Saronite is 'round a gold too which is the closest to this guide. enchantings mats on AH are already cheap.

I never was insane into those things however I got myself 6 epic flight in about 4 months ( I have 7 80's btw) due to the fact I did that little auction house playing above. Epic gems madness was nice too I wasn't even ready (tokens, titanium ore or frozen orb wise) and I made a good amount of gold. if you aren't able to make money in this game, its because you are not trying.. simple.

[nubnub2009]

Vanish is balanced around it being bugged?

Am I the only one seeing an issue with this?

Lol.

Rogues are balanced around vanish being bugged.

L2read noob.

[Witelephant]

Naturally, I expect the more right-wing Americans amongst us to scream COMMUNISM while they desperately scrabble to horde as much wealth for their own personal gain as possible... just before they tell us how important equality is.

Those of you who are comparing this guide, and it's supposed ramifications to the WoW economy, with the "Right Wing American capitalist economy model are either dirty, euro spending socialist/communist eurodumbasses or left wing, stinky hippie, socialist/communist Obamanutjobs. For an economy to work you need more than just price and demand. An economy needs supply, surplus, competition and most importantly workers to create a stockpile and steady stream of materials to feed the production. The less informed, under educated "workers, supply the manpower and materials while the educated, "upper class" set the price. This is how it has to work. This model creates three well defined socio-economic classes: (1) The privileged, educated, well rewarded upper class. (2) The hard working, less educated, less lucky middle class. (3) A hard working, mostly uneducated lower class that has to share it's space with the non-educated, non working, drain on society do-nothing expect everything welfare class. If you are to believe Boub and his brother Obama, all people are created equal and should therefore share equally in the rewards and the spoils. This is called socialism, or in this case, Auction House equalization for everyone. However this theory fails because socialists/ communists do not take into account the infra structure needed to maintain production (mentioned above) and the surplus needed to maintain a competitive price and demand model. The upper class provides the infra structure by creating business and jobs, either to produce or gather the materials needed to create products that can then be sold to provide income for the purchase of those same goods, by the lower class who gathered or created the materials needed to produce the product. If that lower, harder working class also gets to produce some product for themselves (like IRL food farmers eat their own food at a discount price (free) or in the case of wow your primary and secondary skills), then that is a bonus to the worker. Any excess revenue or profit gained by the upper class is just reward for creating the infra structure needed to provide "only" what is needed to those that need it to survive. If what is needed is priced to high, then the demand will wane and the supply will increase, which will sooner or later create a perfect model for prices to marginalize and naturally come down on their own.
If you are Obama or Boub you are fueled by some sort of horribly distorted, personal view of right and wrong, good and evil, rich and poor and feel you need to correct the wrongs that plague the world, even though you have profited greatly from those wrongs in the past. Your guilty conscience and need to be perceived as Robin Hood drive you to crush the upper class and rescue the lower class....even though you belong to the upper class. Morons.
FYI. I suck at AH and and rarely use it, but I hate whiny socialist left wing dumbasses. Also, inb4QQ "wall of text", "America sucks" etc etc.
School is dismissed

[Zeb]

I completely disagree. Addons are not needed. It makes things easier yes, but 126k gold is nothing. I have amassed 700k+ through alchemy, herb, and tailoring alone. I only track certain things and I know the market price of everything. A lot of secrets are given away, but it doesn't matter. Most people are lazy and you will continually profit off laziness.

There's a few things about Wow Economics that are not covered in here that are much more important than setting thresholds and making gold by volume with really low yield. If you can read release notes and understand the direction Blizz is taking things then you can minipulate the wow economy. I'm more ruthless than boubiville. The way to dominate a market economy is to control the rarest piece of scarcest piece of something. In flasks it's frost lotus. So how do you manipulate the price of flasks? Control the flow of frost lotus. It's as simple as that. I spent 50k gold on frost lotus when the xpack was released buying every single frost lotus that I could for 10g or less. I still have a half a guild tab full and this doesn't even account for the 100k worth of other junk I mess around with. If you stick to a market you can do whatever you want to it. However, JC and other markets you can't do this with because once the price gets so high people will farm it into the ground. So you have to know what the limits are and mods can't tell you this. I don't use any mods and I can make 4k a day just watching the ah. This is about 1 hour a day for buying and listing.

Others things that he does not tell you:

Buy on the weekend.
Sell during the week.
Read patch notes to see what commodity is going to be scarce come next patch.
AKA. Spellweave-I probably have made 10k so far before 3.2.2 because of buying it for 80 and selling it for 250.
Huge content patches=Less farmers=Higher Prices=Look into what is going to be affected. You will make far more money off this than screwing around with high volume low yield items. I deal flasks this way, but if you look at the money I make I can make just as much spending half the time if I dealt in other items.

If you need any help on writing a guild for alchemy/tailoring/herbalism and how to control a server's economy in retrospec of flasks I could help you.

[TheSecretArts]

I hate that people are complaining that "only a few people are making money," honestly thats not really a problem. Because if everyone is making money off the same system, 1. the prices crash, 2. it starts becoming communist in terms of equality. And communism in a game where money "disappears" to vendors is not good.

[Soopeli]

Time to buy some cheap enchanting mats and bank them.

After few weeks / month sell them.

Profit.

[TheSecretArts]

Those of you who are comparing this guide, and it's supposed ramifications to the WoW economy, with the "Right Wing American capitalist economy model are either dirty, euro spending socialist/communist eurodumbasses or left wing, stinky hippie, socialist/communist Obamanutjobs. For an economy to work you need more than just price and demand. An economy needs supply, surplus, competition and most importantly workers to create a stockpile and steady stream of materials to feed the production. The less informed, under educated "workers, supply the manpower and materials while the educated, "upper class" set the price. This is how it has to work. This model creates three well defined socio-economic classes: (1) The privileged, educated, well rewarded upper class. (2) The hard working, less educated, less lucky middle class. (3) A hard working, mostly uneducated lower class that has to share it's space with the non-educated, non working, drain on society do-nothing expect everything welfare class. If you are to believe Boub and his brother Obama, all people are created equal and should therefore share equally in the rewards and the spoils. This is called socialism, or in this case, Auction House equalization for everyone. However this theory fails because socialists/ communists do not take into account the infra structure needed to maintain production (mentioned above) and the surplus needed to maintain a competitive price and demand model. The upper class provides the infra structure by creating business and jobs, either to produce or gather the materials needed to create products that can then be sold to provide income for the purchase of those same goods, by the lower class who gathered or created the materials needed to produce the product. If that lower, harder working class also gets to produce some product for themselves (like IRL food farmers eat their own food at a discount price (free) or in the case of wow your primary and secondary skills), then that is a bonus to the worker. Any excess revenue or profit gained by the upper class is just reward for creating the infra structure needed to provide "only" what is needed to those that need it to survive. If what is needed is priced to high, then the demand will wane and the supply will increase, which will sooner or later create a perfect model for prices to marginalize and naturally come down on their own.
If you are Obama or Boub you are fueled by some sort of horribly distorted, personal view of right and wrong, good and evil, rich and poor and feel you need to correct the wrongs that plague the world, even though you have profited greatly from those wrongs in the past. Your guilty conscience and need to be perceived as Robin Hood drive you to crush the upper class and rescue the lower class....even though you belong to the upper class. Morons.
FYI. I suck at AH and and rarely use it, but I hate whiny socialist left wing dumbasses. Also, inb4QQ "wall of text", "America sucks" etc etc.
School is dismissed

You completely did a better job explaining things than I did. I think I love you! lol jk. But seriously thanks for the good explanation.

[StarkNV]

People worrying about 'crashing' the economy need not worry. I'll let you in on a little secret: Inflation is good in MMOs.

Think about it for a minute: Everyone's costs are static. Apart from bit one-time gold sinks like mounts, most players have ample income and comparatively low expenses. The only other gold sinks in the economy are entirely optional, stuff like Kirin-Tor rings and 10,000 gold mounts. When that state of affairs occurs, the inevitable result is that prices will go up as players' available gold shoots skyward. But that's a GOOD thing. It means that everyone's static expenses, ie: repairs, mounts, extravagant gold sinks, just became easier to reach. it also means that the prices for goods will continue to skyrocket, which means more margins for everyone. Bottom line, the cheaper gold is, the cheaper EVERYTHING is.

[Geigerton]

Time to buy some cheap enchanting mats and bank them.

After few weeks / month sell them.

Profit.

*sighs*

This. I may not have had anything on the grand scale as described in the guide, honestly. However, I did have a similar mode of operation. I've seen the cobalt prices on my server gradually rise since the release of this article to 5g/bar.

I thank Boubouille for showing me what tweaking my current system is capable of, but it'll likely be 3.3 before I can use any of this

[Zariell]

Inflation is good in MMOs.
When that state of affairs occurs, the inevitable result is that prices will go up as players' available gold shoots skyward. But that's a GOOD thing. It means that everyone's static expenses, ie: repairs, mounts, extravagant gold sinks, just became easier to reach. it also means that the prices for goods will continue to skyrocket, which means more margins for everyone.

Except for when the next expansion releases and now suddenly "Cataclysm lava flying" costs 25,000 gold.

[Vladislavius]

So much fail.
1) You gather items = profit.
2) You use items either gathered by you or bought from AH (since they have exact same value) with crafting profession = profit.
1 + 1 = 2, not 3. 1 = 1, not 0. Every profession is enough to make money, having 2 where other uses another doesnt multiply your profit, 1 + 1 = 3 you say ;D


oh snap, that should have been in guide, now its not secret anymore.

''so much fail''
the adding is valid only if you got gathering profs, with crafting its multiplying
lets see i can turn AH mats into certain items for lets say 50% profit, but only as long as i wont flood the market, lets say 5 of each item, so its
5* 150% (of invested money) * x
where ''x'' is the number of different profitable items i can craft and with 2 crafting proffesions 'x' is larger (bigger ?)

that being said, rethink what you post before you insult someone with your ''so much fail''.

[Dio]

It won't ruin the economy, doh. It will ruin some players gold though, because they are stupid and will copy exactly what is being said on here without actually thinking it through.

[Deleted]

Sorry, this is a bit off-topic, but how can you have 3 Level 60 chars with only 1d played on every Char?

Thanks

[melvinhaze]

[...] dirty, euro spending socialist/communist eurodumbasses or left wing, stinky hippie, socialist/communist Obamanutjobs.
[...]
FYI. I suck at AH and and rarely use it, but I hate whiny socialist left wing dumbasses.

I'd say you suck at AH because you're so stupid, but it's just a guess.

[dambros]

Sorry, this is a bit off-topic, but how can you have 3 Level 60 chars with only 1d played on every Char?

Thanks

Recruit-a-Friend

[42na4ever]

How to understand it?)
When fixing bug, become a buff?! Just ROFLMAO!

[Deleted]

Recruit-a-Friend

but 3 chars?!

[comablack]

must be great playing on a backwoods server with low pop, prices these low are a pipdream on highpop/dayone servers

[Geigerton]

How to understand it?)
When fixing bug, become a buff?! Just ROFLMAO!

I get what he means when saying it might have to be nerfed/rebalanced.

Right now Vanish has been balanced around the following accepted fact: It sometimes fails. This is a glitch, but occurs.

If it works perfectly play testing may very well find that Vanish is now, even if slightly, over powered. Maybe it won't be found to be OP. However players can do very creative things with game mechanics. A perfected Vanish might allow for some trippy things to occur.

Worst case scenario it'll have a tuned "resist" to make it fair. I.e. to keep it balanced it'll have set programed failure rate in certain game modes rather than due to latency.

[Crabby]

but 3 chars?!

Theres no limit to how many u can lvl as recruit a friend as long as the friend is lvling em aswell and for every 2 60s u get one free