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    Thanks alot!

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    First off, Hello, I play a Warlock on Dawnbringer-US. I've been getting frustrated with my low dps. I seem to be pulling insanely low DPS on Heroic Ultraxion and multiple other bosses, The longest heroic Ultaxion attempt (http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/0...?s=3525&e=3841) I only pulled 26k! This seems insanely low for my gear level and items that I have: http://www.us.battle.net/wow/en/char...ockbane/simple , I generally maintain 35k + while my Doomguard is up, but after the first 90 seconds, my DPS plummets, What am I doing wrong here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banesend View Post
    First off, Hello, I play a Warlock on Dawnbringer-US. I've been getting frustrated with my low dps. I seem to be pulling insanely low DPS on Heroic Ultraxion and multiple other bosses, The longest heroic Ultaxion attempt (http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/0...?s=3525&e=3841) I only pulled 26k! This seems insanely low for my gear level and items that I have: http://www.us.battle.net/wow/en/char...ockbane/simple , I generally maintain 35k + while my Doomguard is up, but after the first 90 seconds, my DPS plummets, What am I doing wrong here?
    First off, are you blindly using the incin spec or did you sim it? Using MWC, I never found a way to make the incin spec work with it. Huge reason why MWC breaks it is because with the incin spec, you're wanting to cast meta on CD because you're going to have a higher chance at having more impending doom procs (lowering meta CD by 15s), useless if you're saving meta for MWC every time. Personally, I found the WoU/DMC:V combo with incin spec was better for ultrax than using MWC in the SB spec, which was a lot better than MWC in the incin spec.

    Your corruption uptime is really bad, 68%. You want to clip it before the last tick ever time, to have it never fall off. Your shadowflaming on CD pretty good, might be able to fit one or two more in, but that's getting greedy. You also want to be using Soulburn:Soulfire on CD after your first pet swap.

    Our dots update to our buffs when refreshed. That said, you want to be popping your CDs before dotting, not after. The optimal opener is Prepot > precast SB/Incin (based on spec) > combat > CoE (if needed) > SB/Incin hits > Meta/DS:Felguard + Felstorm > Soulburn > dots > Use activated soulburn when felstorm ends to summon felhunter > Spell CDs, filler, etc.. And during the dotting or first fillers, you'll reach the optimal point to pop Doomguard and immolation aura, when most procs have procs while pre-pot still up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracfuldeath View Post
    First off, are you blindly using the incin spec or did you sim it? Using MWC, I never found a way to make the incin spec work with it. Huge reason why MWC breaks it is because with the incin spec, you're wanting to cast meta on CD because you're going to have a higher chance at having more impending doom procs (lowering meta CD by 15s), useless if you're saving meta for MWC every time. Personally, I found the WoU/DMC:V combo with incin spec was better for ultrax than using MWC in the SB spec, which was a lot better than MWC in the incin spec.

    Your corruption uptime is really bad, 68%. You want to clip it before the last tick ever time, to have it never fall off. Your shadowflaming on CD pretty good, might be able to fit one or two more in, but that's getting greedy. You also want to be using Soulburn:Soulfire on CD after your first pet swap.

    Our dots update to our buffs when refreshed. That said, you want to be popping your CDs before dotting, not after. The optimal opener is Prepot > precast SB/Incin (based on spec) > combat > CoE (if needed) > SB/Incin hits > Meta/DS:Felguard + Felstorm > Soulburn > dots > Use activated soulburn when felstorm ends to summon felhunter > Spell CDs, filler, etc.. And during the dotting or first fillers, you'll reach the optimal point to pop Doomguard and immolation aura, when most procs have procs while pre-pot still up.
    I simmed the incin spec, it came out with a 200 DPS increase over Shadowbolt spec when simming it with the Ultraxion option, I was skeptical of it at first as well. I'll work on my Corruption uptime. Thanks for the tips on opening, I appear to have been doing that completely wrong :O Do I still want to do a pre-cast Felguard with 4P T13 prior to the Metamorphosis since it'd snapshot the spell power gain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracfuldeath View Post
    First off, are you blindly using the incin spec or did you sim it? Using MWC, I never found a way to make the incin spec work with it. Huge reason why MWC breaks it is because with the incin spec, you're wanting to cast meta on CD because you're going to have a higher chance at having more impending doom procs (lowering meta CD by 15s), useless if you're saving meta for MWC every time. Personally, I found the WoU/DMC:V combo with incin spec was better for ultrax than using MWC in the SB spec, which was a lot better than MWC in the incin spec.

    Your corruption uptime is really bad, 68%. You want to clip it before the last tick ever time, to have it never fall off. Your shadowflaming on CD pretty good, might be able to fit one or two more in, but that's getting greedy. You also want to be using Soulburn:Soulfire on CD after your first pet swap.

    Our dots update to our buffs when refreshed. That said, you want to be popping your CDs before dotting, not after. The optimal opener is Prepot > precast SB/Incin (based on spec) > combat > CoE (if needed) > SB/Incin hits > Meta/DS:Felguard + Felstorm > Soulburn > dots > Use activated soulburn when felstorm ends to summon felhunter > Spell CDs, filler, etc.. And during the dotting or first fillers, you'll reach the optimal point to pop Doomguard and immolation aura, when most procs have procs while pre-pot still up.
    I simmed the incin spec, it came out with a 200 DPS increase over Shadowbolt spec when simming it with the Ultraxion option, I was skeptical of it at first as well. I'll work on my Corruption uptime. Thanks for the tips on opening, I appear to have been doing that completely wrong :O Do I still want to do a pre-cast Felguard with 4P T13 prior to the Metamorphosis since it'd snapshot the spell power gain?

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    any1 know solltion how to make visible end of felguard felstorm ? without using power auras? any option in filger? elvui ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WootWoot View Post
    any1 know solltion how to make visible end of felguard felstorm ? without using power auras? any option in filger? elvui ?
    Personally, since felstorm macro is on my action bar and my UI puts a countdown timer on each actionbar icon, when it his 38 I know it's completely over. 45s CD, 6s whirlwind. Or I sometimes count in my head :x

    I don't know of any other way, I believe with PowerAuras or WeakAuras you could have something, but I believe it would also require you to be targetting or having it on focus.. Had not tried to make it work in some way with those two, mostly because I had my own way already.

    Something you could do with WeakAuras, is have the icon/whatever image you want for it there, then when you use it, it fades outs a bit and shows a CD timer for it, then you can see when it hits that 38s mark. And with WeakAuras you can set it to only show that when your felguard is out, so once you swap you'll never see the CD tracker or the CD ready icon (You can't make it stop showing based on pet for PowerAuras as far as I've tested, which was a huge pain for me)

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    Hello i am a feral cat and my dps is pretty low (32k on ultraxion but not much on other bosses either) . My gear is pretty good and it has been Gemmed/enched correctly. WoL doesnt work on my laptop and a screenshot i dont have sadly. Here is my armory http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...imfrost/simple. I have no idea why it is so low. I use correct specc, correct rotation and i used to crush all dps charts during Wotlk. Please help me!

    Didnt see it was warlock, My bad!

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    OK my dps isn't "bad" but i'm looking for ways to improve and i want to start with my gear set up. I know i need a few upgrades but i also would like for you to take a look at my reforge as well. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...mesis/advanced

    Thank you in advance

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    OK my dps isn't "bad" but i'm looking for ways to improve and i want to start with my gear set up. I know i need a few upgrades but i also would like for you to take a look at my reforge as well. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...mesis/advanced

    Thank you in advance
    Go to WWW.WOWREFORGE.COM and use this tool for all your reforging needs. The hit cap is already placed, just put in your haste cap (1573 with your current gear) then click optimize. Here is your summary (the ones in bold are what you need to change, the rest are already reforged properly):

    Head : CritRating -> MasteryRating
    Neck : HasteRating -> HitRating
    Shoulders : CritRating -> HitRating
    Chest : HasteRating -> MasteryRating
    Waist : CritRating -> HitRating
    Legs : CritRating -> HitRating
    Feet : HasteRating -> MasteryRating
    Wrists : HasteRating -> HitRating
    Ring1 : HitRating -> MasteryRating
    Ring2 : HasteRating -> HitRating
    MainHand : HasteRating -> MasteryRating
    Ranged : HasteRating -> HitRating

    Whenever you get a new piece of gear, use this website, its great. Gearing only goes so far, we really cant help you until you post some logs.

  11. #1551
    Trying to do as much as I can, here's a repost of mine from the official forums. At the time, I was looking for Affliction advice, but now I'd like advice as any spec:

    I have my good days and my bad days, but working on Heroic Ultraxion I definitely want to keep my bad days to a minimum. Last week I was definitely having a bad day (still am, can barely type right now), but I think there's definitely some room for improvement outside of the moments UA falls off while I'm recasting it.

    I typically LET BoD fall off when it's been cast under Demon Soul (ensuring half of the ticks are empowered), and, checking my logs, I don't ever see this being an issue as I recast it as soon as it's appropriate. I also try to save Demon Soul and Soul Burn for when I need to refresh a dot (or 1 second beforehand, in the case of SB), but I don't save Soul Burn for BoD (otherwise I'd lose 1-2 Soul Burn uses, over the course of the fight, depending on timing).

    Here's a log:
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/6...?s=2439&e=2694
    I'm usually around 36.5k DPS, on my best of days I ended an Ultraxion normal kill at 37.7k, but really I think 40k+ should definitely be reachable. What am I missing? Most of my mistakes seem to be little (lost about 500 DPS worth of Haunt casts in the above log), I don't think it's the mistakes holding me back, I think it's a rotational issue.

    So, if anyone can help out with some seriously good advice (things I don't know), I'd be very grateful.

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    Just at a quick glance, your dot uptimes are great, shadowflaming on CD. You're right on letting BoD fall off when cast under DS, and that dots need to be refreshed to actually get the DS buff. Haunt fell off twice in that time range of the log, which could just be from fading out, but just make sure you're casting it on CD.

    The first real, and only thing atm, that I can say is that I believe you can get some more umph out of your doomguard. Make sure you're popping him at the optimal point, where as many things that can proc have procced while your prepot is still active.

    Mind posting a link to your armory as well? Without that it's going to be hard to find something wrong, even more so than it already is compared to other logs that get looked at here :x

    EDIT: Umm...Found something pretty big. You should find a better DI target than that mage. Fire mages can be good DI targets...but this one wasn't on this attempt. 89% uptime on DI, which is...meh, want more like 95% minimum, but the problem is that you only had three stats of DI for a total of about a minute (two ~20s times, and two ~10s times), only 2 stacks before falling off or reaching 3 stacks for ~15s, and the rest was 1 stack only. Meanwhile you gave him 95% uptime, only falling off where you prolly faded out. (Note: I'm NOT saying anything about his skill, I know nothing of mages, therefore I have no place to comment as to why he did not give you DI procs. But it is a fact he did not, which means a different target should be chosen or a change with him in some what I can't comment on)
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    Sorry, here's my armory:
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...amort/advanced

    Keep in mind I got a few upgrades since that specific parse and I replace my glyphs on a per-fight basis.
    That's a good point about DI, unfortunately I don't think my guild's politics will allow me to change the target. I might be able to talk with the Mage, though.
    Also a good point on the Doomguard. Usually he does 450000+ damage, I think he just wasn't off CD on the pull, so that might be where I was losing so much DPS that parse. I'll have to keep track of him better when I use him in my opening.
    I do think Haunt falling off was a consequence of messing up during a Heroic Will, but I remember calculating that it was only on CD 85% of the time.

    Also, WOAH I did not realize you could track the stacks of DI!

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    Yea, it's under buffs cast tab when you view yourself, on the side where it's beneficial buffs. There's two of them, one for on you and one for on your partner. Trickiest part imo is mentally sorting out the two lol. That is unfortunate on your guild's politics, though if they don't let you change targets or have the mage improve, it does give you something to throw in their face if they ever comment on your dps. Hopefully it won't come to that. Tbh, unless they are lock experts themselves, they don't really have a place to say who gets DI imo. Anyways, off topic.

    And I figured so much on the Haunt thing and fading out, but I just throw it in there as a reminder and more for anyone else who might read and not know.

    Um. Screw you on your HCoC. I'm still stuck with VPL. Also get an epic gem in that back pronto! Hopefully you just changed to a pvp glyphs, but you want Glyph of UA instead of BoA for affliction. And Lifetap as a major glyph.

    Back to logs. Doesn't look like you used a pre-pot or pot during that fight, which doesn't help, especially with the doomguard buffing. It looks like you started your opening with a Shadowbolt > dots > haunt. The optimal opening is shadowbolt > pre-pot > combat > sb hits > CoE if needed > Haunt > DS:Felhunter > UA > Corruption > BoD > Shadowbolt. Though with Ultrax and how it starts, if you don't engage at the start and wait on a countdown, what I just said is the opening. If you engage on the DBM/BW timer, then you prepot first ofc since you can't cast at him yet.

    You should feel lucky now, you're the first person in this thread I've simmed myself. Which took a while, since you were out in demo spec, so it loaded demo priorities, and I had to hunt down a afflic lock spec because I didn't want to rewrite the priorities, and copy past gear and stats and blah blah. From running a patchwerk style, 10000 iterations, elite player skill, I get 41426 dps. (ftr, I did good player skill too, it was 41198k, not much difference) Taking out a lil bit for robot to human conversion, latency, then a bit more for it being ultrax and not patchwerk, I'd say it's more like 37-38kish is the highest I'd say. It also shows your doomguard doing more like 800k, which tbh I'm not sure about for affliction, but I know you can get at least 500k. So unfortunately, 40k MIGHT be reachable at this point, but not the 40k+ you were hoping. :[

    So you're in the ballpark. For two healing it, I believe you need an average of 35k dps minimum across the group, but that was pre-nerf.

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    help for Hagara hc - as well as general tweeking dps

    Hi Graceful,

    First time poster, but long time reader. I've been having several dps issues since last tier, while upgrading to a few different dot-tracking mods (i.e. TMW, and of course the classic dot timer from ej.com) has helped, i still seem more often than not the square-wheel in our raid-train and that sucks! I've very motivated to work on and improve a few issues, so I'd appreciate any incite at all to a few heroic encounters in DS. BTW: Undefetter, our trusty and ever so humorful RL was so kind as to post a few logs and ask for your help on my behalf several weeks ago. Your comments really helped me sort some issues, that have shown some very promising improvements. Thank you for that!

    My main question right now is on Hagara, i have tried a few various things... BoA or not? BoD? last night tried BoD and although it made my recount look pretty, it always pops when she's protected - any comments? I suppose my real question is, how can an affliction lock maximize their ouch-time without being a burden to healers/movement problems. 2ndly WOL shows my dots are sadly only up 60% of the time on this fight. While it is a quirky fight to measure any sort of proper dps output, i'm 100% for sure i can do more. On a good night i average 33 to 35k sometimes more, and sadly i dont' often have a good night 8( Sims say i should do just under 40k. It's so frustrating for me, as it appears on my screen (and i'm watching dot-meters like free porn!) i'm refreshing dots properly, i.e. 2 tics before out and haunt on CD. The only thing i can tell that i'm messing up on is the dot-refresh and getting the most out of demon. Granted these tries barely show any useful time on drainsoul, but we didn't manage to get her that far. while i live in Austria, and our server is in theU.K. i do have Quartz and frankly am smashing keys like Animal from the Muppets

    In every case would you be so kind and glance through these 3 attempts we had last night? Our raid night was basically at an end after clearing first 3 bosses, but nonetheless had a good attempt or two:


    edit: MMO not letting me post links :/ what to do???

    of course am pre-potting on pull, dotting up, refreshing dots where possible and then moving with mechanics - soulswaping on binding crystals, etc. albeit it our guild has had some issues with moving in the way of the blue-beams, we seem to have it down. while our best try last Sunday had her at 20% or so (wipe due to mistake in lightning phase), i'm trying to do my part and add more cowbell.

    as comparison: warlord fight before (if it helps you to get a picture): edit: %can't post links% not a perfect fight for me by anymeans, but certainly better in numbers.

    My armory: edit mmo not letting me post links 8( I'm on Runetotem.


    I hope my post was clear and would be very thrilled to hear from you to help me fix this thorn in my side!

    Yours truly,
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    First quick answers, then I'll let you post logs/armory and then get into more detailed things.

    BoD Hagara. I've never heard of anyone using BoA on her, nor have I seen it. You still get three ticks of it. While there probably is some improvement that can be made as for dot uptime on logs in term of a %, you still won't have your normal hoping for 95%+ because there's several times of just downtime (like lightning phase). You want to clip dots before their last tick, not the second to last tick (Though I suppose since US is a cast time, starting cast just before the second to last tick would make it land just before the last. But corruption is instant. Either way, clip before last tick. BoD is not always clipped on the other hand, I'll explain more later if needed)

    Getting the most out of the demon is a big thing. With the current and upcoming nerf, I'm not sure how long the fight will be anymore. If it is somehow more than 6min, you can get 2 demons out with 2pc. Also, so I know how to look at it, what's your general strat for both main and mini phases?

    And always remember simcraft is perfect, and usually a standstill do nothing but dps fight. So fights like Hagara, you will see bigger differences. The goal is to minimize those differences
    Define maximizing ouch time, meaning the debuff on hagara after mini phases? That's what I assumed, by the "without being a burden to healers/movement problems" threw me off.

    You can't post links because you need a minimum amount of posts. You can either go spam (within ToS) or simple post the last half of links after the domain name. such as
    us.battle.net/ (POST THIS STUFF )
    worldoflogs.com/ (POST THIS STUFF)
    I can tell which sight they belong to.

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    Hello fellow warlocks from all realms.

    My name is Gartoka from US-Dalaran. I am currently running a 3/31/7 Demonology Talent Tree. I have been reading the other forums, seeming that the spec to run as is in 0/31/10. In due time shortly, I will be going Horde on my toon into a progression type guild(25m). I have posted my toon as of today from the WoW community page, as well as the current 25m LFR from world of logs.

    My rotation consists of the following: Immolate > HoG > Corruption > Bane of Doom > Incinerate(MC proc) > Incinerate (Filler)
    I keep my Meta/Demon Soul/Lifebloom(Since im Herb/Alch) in my macro, so I time them with Hero/Bloodlust/Timewarp. I understand that I should be popping it on CD, but I do pop them after the first 4 DoT's are up in my rotation.

    I am missing some enchants(even top ones), due to limits of guildies on and such, which I apologize. I use wow-reforge to keep my hit rating and up my haste cap with the current gear im running (392 GS equipped). Any help/suggestions would be much appreciated. I did post a youtube video of what my rotation looks like within the last couple weeks. Thanks!

    .worldoflogs.com/reports/nmheic3sjmvgjs14/sum/damageDone/ -Front 4 of LFR
    worldoflogs.com/reports/r8co7nnj5nuwca25/sum/damageDone/ -Back 4 of LFR
    youtube.com/watch?v=GfaoWkYWGe4 -Personal Video of a Guide

    My armory profile - us.battle.net/wow/en/character/dalaran/Gartoka/simple
    us.battle.net/wow/en/character/dalaran/Gartoka/advanced

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    @Gartoka

    The incin spec was designed out of BiS gear for a single target, patchwork style fight for ~400 dps increase, with a chance for more. This being said, it is VERY gear and fight specific. It is only really valid on Ultrax, Zon Normal, Zon HM IF your assignment is to sit on the boss/claw and no other adds, Hagara IF you stack in the middle for ice phase and sit on her in melee and get lucky procs, Yor (normal/HM) IF you're assigned to sit on Yor and not oozes,etc. Also, because it's gear specific, you should be simming it first to see if it's an increase at all at your gear setup, usually trinkets make or break it.

    Seeing how you're not near BiS gear, not 4pc, and it's boss specific, you want the SB spec (0/31/10) with corruption instead of incinerate glyphed.

    As enchantment wise, I personally don't understand how guildies prevent you from having the best ones, but just get them when you can. Without them, guilds looking to recruit frown on it. You will want the greater mastery to gloves, 50 int on back, 50 int to bracers, peerless stats to chest, as well as mastery to boots (either straight mastery or lavawalker). If you're specifically demo 90% of the time, you want artful orange gems (int/mastery) rather than reckless. (which is unfortunate since you have an epic reckless is a ring). We also generally ignore +10 socket bonuses and go for red int instead. You also want to get 4pc asap. 4pc LFR >>>> no 4pc 397 gear. And Demonic Aegis >>> Master Summoner. Stat wise, you want to generally stack mastery, take what haste you get, and ditch as much crit as possible. If you have to do some multi dotting, you'll want to hit a haste threshold, generally the 1573 is the one to go for (extra immo tick), sometimes 1993 (extra corruption tick) if you can get it without sacking too much mastery.

    As for your initial opening. You pop CDs BEFORE dotting or anything else. Your dots dmg are based on what buffs you have when you put them up, the more buffs, the more dmg. I don't know what the CD on lifebloom is, but meta is used on CD, always. If you are every not using Meta, it's when you can't attack your main target, or waiting at most 15s to use it. With or without DS/Lifebloom. DS:Felguard does not go into affect until your dots are refreshed either, so just because you pop it, it doesn't mean it's doing anything. It does line up nicely with putting BoD back up.

    Log wise, I don't rarely have the time to look at 8 different fights to analyze, so like usual I will be looking at Ultrax only. If you're messing up there, then you're messing it up everywhere. If you want a different, specific fight analyzed, please say so. First off. Wrong opening. As demo, we always start out with the felguard because felstorm + DS:Felguard is amazing. Your optimal opener is per-cast Shadowbolt > pre-pot > combat > CoE (if needed) > Meta/DS:Felguard + Felstorm when pet in range > Immolate > Corruption > BoD > HoG > Shadowflame (if in melee range) > SB filler and Incin on MC procs. The moment the Felguard stops it's felstorm (its a 6s move, so at ~38s left on CD or when you see it stop spinning) you soulburn into the felhunter for the rest of the fight. I'm not sure since you have ICM, but since you do not have 4pc, using MWC and pet twisting might be higher dps (though personally I hate it, so it's up to you. Sim it to see which is better).

    Dots wise, you want to clip corruption before the last tick, which you did fine on. BoD wise, you do not clip it. It is beneficial to refresh the first BoD at the 29s mark while the first meta is still up, but you do not clip it. By clipping it, you're basically turning a super buffed BoD into a weak one. As for your doomguard, you did not properly buff him as much as you could be. You want to pop him at the start, when you have and many procs procced but while your pre-pot is still up. At this point is also when you want to pop immolation aura on meta. It is also beneficial to use an ICD tracker to know when to pop immo aura during meta while something procs rather than right when you pop meta. (think of imo aura as a mini-doomguard).

    And...I don't want to sound like a dick, nor mean, in anything about I'm about to say. But several things said in your video are wrong. Specifically when it comes to which demo spec, the difference and why for the SB spec, choice for why glyph of incinerate in the Incin Spec (you mentioned you could run glyph of SB, but that's a major glyph anyways), stat priority in the video info. You can put DI on your pet, which is far greater than not having it up at all for just the haste buff. It's also better to demon leap towards your target rather than running in during meta. Again, hope that wasn't taken the wrong way, just merely trying to help you increase your abilities/knowledge.

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    I understand completely. I for sure understand the points. I will correct the video and all that, so I appreciate it a ton, gracfuldeath.

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    wol and armory reply

    Hey Grace, thanks for the time to reply. while BoD is showing up on recount as damage, WoL puts it as misses. I thought she was shielded when doom procs. Been using BoA to do a soulswap on first binding crystal or electric add on totem phases... or when i've tried bod, of course saving soul swap for crystals. raid dps is quite high and seems like she's going into shielded phases way earlier than 60 secs.

    Strats for main phase for me is pre-pot on pull, sb, normal rotation (with bod) run by boss when she's doing her raged attack with shadowflame when possible. warlocks putting teleport pad in center to maximize our dps time on crystals and avoid getting the frost/frozen debuff. If our RL wants to do BL on first "ouch" phase, then when she comes out of shields, again, pot, cast a SB (or shadowflame if i'm on top of her), hope that RNG has made my haste trinket proc, dot her up and proc doomy asap and get ready for frozen tombs and/or move to the blue lines. Mini p hases: stand in middle, nuke crystals asap (first priority is the one near the door), soul swap and continue dotting up while melee moves around the outer ring. we do not have a hunter, so ranged dps/healers all stand in middle. it's very doable after last nerf and dps is not a problem here. lightning phases we're assigned locations to light the totems asap and it's usually not a problem. btw me and the other lock are using our pets set on passive near final totems to extend (and speed up) our range on lightning phase. it works like a charm if pets are far enough away (no splash back) and really helps to keep that nasty phase at a minimum.

    in general our dps is not a problem. we are a good 2.5+ minutes infront of enrage timer. for me it's me wanting to maximize dps time on especially ice phases, but also main phases to help reduce the fights time in general. i know i could use drain soul more on crystals, however am usually refreshing dots on another crystal, while melee takes the crystal down when they get there. The idea is sacrificing personal dps for raid dps, however, sadly i've seen numbers as low as 27k dps in general from me.... which drives me insane, because i feel i'm doing everything as humanly possible correctly.

    "not being a burden" meant for example standing still in the blue-line phase... where i could in theory just stand there like a dps whore and nuke. clearly that's not the tactic, and i'm not doing it.

    1st Hagara: worldoflogs.com/ reports/rt-wvu3awzbonoyqlam/details/13/?s=6849&e=6926
    2nd Hagara: worldoflogs.com/ reports/rt-wvu3awzbonoyqlam/details/13/?s=7177&e=7489
    3rd: worldoflogs.com/reports/ rt-wvu3awzbonoyqlam/details/13/?s=7689&e=7929

    warlord fight was first time for me (guild's 2nd kill), where i felt i did everything much better. dot uptime on boss is sadly not close to 95% at all, because the tactics we're using, however dps on the tenticles seemed pretty hi. our RL was pleased with me in every case and 35kish was respectable all things considered. please comment here if you feel you can.

    Warlord: worldoflogs.com /reports/rt-wvu3awzbonoyqlam/details/13/?s=4425&e=4780

    my armory eu.battlenet wow/en/character/runetotem/Ruckerslock/simple

    Many thanks again for your time in answering my questions. I hope my text was clear and you can understand where i'm coming from.

    Cheers and greets from Austria!
    Rucks


    Quote Originally Posted by gracfuldeath View Post
    First quick answers, then I'll let you post logs/armory and then get into more detailed things.

    BoD Hagara. I've never heard of anyone using BoA on her, nor have I seen it. You still get three ticks of it. While there probably is some improvement that can be made as for dot uptime on logs in term of a %, you still won't have your normal hoping for 95%+ because there's several times of just downtime (like lightning phase). You want to clip dots before their last tick, not the second to last tick (Though I suppose since US is a cast time, starting cast just before the second to last tick would make it land just before the last. But corruption is instant. Either way, clip before last tick. BoD is not always clipped on the other hand, I'll explain more later if needed)

    Getting the most out of the demon is a big thing. With the current and upcoming nerf, I'm not sure how long the fight will be anymore. If it is somehow more than 6min, you can get 2 demons out with 2pc. Also, so I know how to look at it, what's your general strat for both main and mini phases?

    And always remember simcraft is perfect, and usually a standstill do nothing but dps fight. So fights like Hagara, you will see bigger differences. The goal is to minimize those differences
    Define maximizing ouch time, meaning the debuff on hagara after mini phases? That's what I assumed, by the "without being a burden to healers/movement problems" threw me off.

    You can't post links because you need a minimum amount of posts. You can either go spam (within ToS) or simple post the last half of links after the domain name. such as
    us.battle.net/ (POST THIS STUFF )
    worldoflogs.com/ (POST THIS STUFF)
    I can tell which sight they belong to.

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