The Lower Karazhan (Karazhan Crypt) Discussion.

[DeltrusDisc]

I just wanted to point out that "the upside-down sinners," is a reference to and a recreation of a locale in John Carpenter's, "Big Trouble in Little China." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090728/

If you haven't already seen this movie you should immediately. It also inspired the Mortal Kombat series and is referenced in the in-game item, "the six demon bag" (wind, fire...that sort of thing).

In the movie they reference several "Chinese Hells."

# The Hell of Being Cut to Pieces
# The Hell of Boiling Oil
# The Hell of the Upside Down Sinners
# The Hell Where People are Skinned Alive
# The Hell of the Oily Dragon

The only one that actually shows up is the Hell of the Upside-down Sinners. It is just as shown in lower Karazhan and quite scary.

If there are any other oldtimers reading this post they'll back me up.

Damn, wish I had read this yesterday, my friend and I saw this movie was on last night, he said it was good, but I didn't have a clue really what it was, so we didn't watch it. =/

I don't know, sounds interesting... scary/creepy... would maybe still watch it.

Having read The Last Guardian (which I might say, WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL BOOK) I really do want to see this place put into the game as a raid, if it was, I'd come back to the game in a heart-beat. One of my favorite spots in the whole lore-wise story of WoW.

[DreamOfTheRood]

perhpas you assist Medan

No. Med'an is a terrible character, and, if we're lucky, he will die without ever setting foot in WoW.
In fact, having read some information about the current WoW comic, I suspect we'll be getting very lucky.

[Crombie]

The Slough of Dispair might have been a place where Medivh learned of his inner demons(Sargeras) and realized that his power came from those demons. Hence the despair of seperation.

[Zelimagi]

Absolutely mysterious! Thanks for sharing that.

Hard to argue that Blizzard doesn't have plans for it. The Upside-Down Sinners thing is very chilling.

[ppaladin123]

Damn, wish I had read this yesterday, my friend and I saw this movie was on last night, he said it was good, but I didn't have a clue really what it was, so we didn't watch it. =/

I don't know, sounds interesting... scary/creepy... would maybe still watch it.

Having read The Last Guardian (which I might say, WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL BOOK) I really do want to see this place put into the game as a raid, if it was, I'd come back to the game in a heart-beat. One of my favorite spots in the whole lore-wise story of WoW.

The movie is actually rather campy and funny (see for example the six demon bag) with a few creepy creatures/locals mixed in. It's definitely not a horror movie...more like kung-fu comedy with with demons.

[Daginni]

No. Med'an is a terrible character, and, if we're lucky, he will die without ever setting foot in WoW.
In fact, having read some information about the current WoW comic, I suspect we'll be getting very lucky.

I agree and disagree with this. Med'an is a character that was sorta pushed into Lore. But new Lore is allways nice.

[Capt_jesus]

An interesting thing about the Slough of DISPAIR is the way its spelled

[Shelly]

My favorite part of the pit of upside down sinners is that it implies that the possible instance would be heavily influenced by Big Trouble in Little China.

I never drive faster than my eyes can see, and besides like I told my ex-wife, it's all in the reflexes.

[cubby]

I gotta admit, you did your research.

I believe the lower crypt was meant to be an encounter during vanilla WoW, since it was also open during that time. (It even featured an instance portal back then)

However, i believe only time will tell, and who knows it could be a possible addition in Cataclysm.

After all Karazhan was home to Medivh....and who is Medivh's son and upcoming Guardian of the Tirisfal?

Yeah, this was a great read - thank you for that alone. Will post again with my thoughts.

[Joshmaul]

I agree and disagree with this. Med'an is a character that was sorta pushed into Lore. But new Lore is allways nice.

Yes, but there's only so far you can go. All powerful character, he's a priest (or paladin), shaman and mage all in one package. The Guardian idea was interesting - immortal watchers, all that shit - but seriously, this has all the makings of a vengeful god. Hopefully Cho'thun eats him or something.

[exdeath202]

I am also interested in the cryp and i have an interesting theroy. Do you know the game Vagrant Story? The karazhan crypt looks a lot like some VS areas, not to mention that each room of the game receives a name and some are pretty similar to the ones in Karazhan crypt and some wow areas. I wouldnt be surprised if its a big reference because its really similar and remids me a lot to VS. It feels so familiar that i wouldnt be surprised if its a copy of an area or several unconected rooms from it.

Some areas from VS:

Notice peddler´s way, wich is similar to pauper´s walk, and the punishement of sinners theme, with many areas named after torment aplied to sinners.

01. He Screams for Mercy
07. Sin and Punishment
05. Where the Shoul Rots
M. FORGOTTEN PATHWAY
01. Stair to the Sinners
02. Slaughter of the Innocent
03. The Oracle Sins no More
04. The Fallen Knight
05. Awaiting Retribution
R. UNDERCITY WEST
01. The Bread Peddler's Way
02. Way of the Mother Lode
03. Sewer of Ravenous Rats
04. Beggars of the Mouthharp
05. Corner of the Wretched
06. Crossroads of Rest
07. Path to the greengrocer
08. Path of the Children
09. Underdark Fishmarket
10. The Sunless Way
11. Remembering Days of Yore
12. Larder for a Lean Winter
13. Where the Hunter Climbed
14. Hall of Poverty
15. Where Flood Waters Ran
16. The Crumbling Market
17. Tears from Empty Sockets
18. The Washing-Woman's Way
19. Nameless Dark Oblivion
20. Sinner's Corner
21. The Children's Hideout
22. Fear of the Fall
23. Corner of Prayers
24. Hope Obstructed
25. Salvation for the Mother
26. The Body Fragile Yields
27. Bite the Master's Wounds
K. GREAT CATHEDRAL L3
01. The Heretics' Story
02. Despair of the Fallen
03. The Wine-Lecher's Fall
04. Hopes of the idealist
05. Where the Shoul Rots

[blahism]

Looks very wow classic in design, even has some Naxx look & feel to it. It would be cool to see some of these areas come back to life though! great vid

[shögon]

I just went down and had a look. nice area. i hope they use it for something. upside-down room was by far the most interesting little area. the Pauper's Walk reminded me of running around Rome a little

took me about 5 attempts to get the standing position when using the stuck command but well worth the tour

[General Vezax]

I read that blizz didnt implement this becuase it would have boosted the rating to M

[Rspec]

Humm.. I was thinking and, this is just a theory, IF its the Up-Side-Down of Karazhan that can mean one thing: Emerald Dream. Since most of the things inside the Emerald Dream are the up-side-down of reality. It might be that... But we don't know if it will be accessible in Cataclysm. We'll see.

[Caradinist]

I read that blizz didnt implement this becuase it would have boosted the rating to M

Nah, there's already a warning that the rating may change during online play, and since it's always online, they ought to add in racist caricatures and see how far they go!

[Starleigh]

I would love if they opened it up as a raid! I actually miss doing Kara after doing it weekly for so long lol. I think Im one of the few that never got sick of that place.

[Tauhid]

I always considered the actual Lower Karazhan and Karazhan Crypts (speculatively, of course). Lower Karazhan being the place where Medivh was killed by Lothar, Khadgar and Garona, where Medivh's private quarters are. I wouldn't be surprised if Medivh actually is still on Azeroth and alive, living in Lower Karazhan now.

Supposedly the dangers in Lower Karazhan are far greater than in Upper Karazhan, similar to the castle in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.

[Unholyground]

Its a good possibility that whoever the new Lich King becomes might make Karazhan his new home.

[velourea]

Its a good possibility that whoever the new Lich King becomes might make Karazhan his new home.

why the hell is that a good possibility ;D