Cats in Cataclysm

[twinkleblur]

there is a new atk i believe but not sure if its just for bears but also a well played kitty can top dps charts easily

[BananadAccount]

Where are you getting this information from? I haven't seen anything about FAP being phased out, just AP in general.

lol, FAP

[Dalinos]

Noone has mentioned it yet..but what if the buff from Pulverize stays active in Cat Form? Abit like Savage Roar or Dash stay active while in bear form, just don't give their "stat" bonuses. It would be very interesting DPSing, then switching to bear to get the lacerates up, back to cat to continue DPSing, as soon as energy's low back to bear to Pulverize, get your 16 second +10% crit buff and continue DPSing.

It is a fact that the best of feral dps druids nowadays try to squeeze in Lacerates during their rotations whenever they can - Rip + Rake + 5xLacerate ticking is a deadly combo and a good DPS increase.

And for the poster above, FAP's going nowhere. The only thing FAP does is convert the DPS of the weapon to AP - it's a stat we MUST have in order to stay competitive.

[Kereba]

lol, FAP

lol'd

[Hinalover]

Where are you getting this information from? I haven't seen anything about FAP being phased out, just AP in general.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...337&sid=1#1086

Feral attack power will be gone. The damage of the weapon affects cat and bear attacks like other melee classes.

It is a fact that the best of feral dps druids nowadays try to squeeze in Lacerates during their rotations whenever they can - Rip + Rake + 5xLacerate ticking is a deadly combo and a good DPS increase.

I don't know which Feral Druids you are talking to but trying to stack Lacerates on a target for kitty is a dps loss. Think about it. You spend 1 second to shape shift to bear, 1 second to apply the lacerate, then another second to shape shift back to cat. That is a 3 second dps loss that you could be shredding or keeping up other dots up. In those 3 seconds I could have 1 - 2 Shreds in (depending on OoC proc), where I could crit for 18k damage whereas a 5 stack of lacerate would only generate about 15k damage. In addition, those lacerate generate a lot of threat. If you are close to threat cap with a tank, I wouldn't be trying to stack lacerates to increase the threat I'm doing.

I can see you doing that if you are trying to solo an elite or used in PvP, but in a raid environment, I seriously doubt you are going to be able to do that.

[getefix]

It is a fact that the best of feral dps druids nowadays try to squeeze in Lacerates during their rotations whenever they can - Rip + Rake + 5xLacerate ticking is a deadly combo and a good DPS increase.

Oh yeah? I bet you do a lot of dmg in bear form while putting up those lacerates? a 5 stack will take you 5 GCDs, or 7.5seconds, plus the 2 GCDs for switching to bear and back, you're looking at 10 seconds of shitty auto attacks and being unable to refresh rip and rake.

You're either a troll, or extremely stupid, or both

[Cortano]

It is a fact that the best of feral dps druids nowadays try to squeeze in Lacerates during their rotations whenever they can - Rip + Rake + 5xLacerate ticking is a deadly combo and a good DPS increase.

You forgot moonfire. A cat who isn't using moonfire as an essential part of his rotation isn't using his full druidic toolset. Don't listen to those druids who fail to acknowledge the real way to play a feral is to switch forms at every opportunity. The mana pot remains an essential part of the druid DPS rotation! Don't let these number crunching jerks tell you otherwise!

[Cheezee]

Don't forget to use Predatory Strikes for instant cast Starfires.

[Deleted]

I'm more worried about the loss of 8% To our Attributes from the Survival of the Fittest and Improved Mark of the Wild changes then any of our other changes.

Hopefully they slot them in somewhere else, for that would be a huge loss.

[Mortimer]

I'm more worried about the loss of 8% To our Attributes from the Survival of the Fittest and Improved Mark of the Wild changes then any of our other changes.

Hopefully they slot them in somewhere else, for that would be a huge loss.

The whole game is being redesigned. Every rating, stat, and practically every talent is being changed to look radically different to what it does now. Rest assured, that we probably won't even notice the 8% drop in our stats when 4.0 drops.

[Koharu]

not too much love in Cata Feral dps imo from blizzard

[Tkain]

Worgen Druid forms

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8606868/wg1.jpg

will provide troll as soon as possible


yes feralap is gone but your damage scales with your weapondmg

dmg seemed to be quite the same then on live servers expect for aoe which is nerfed to the ground

live swipe about 6k
alpha swipe about 1k


Another thing lots of ferals might love

Skull Bash
Cat Form 22 You charge and skull bash the target, interrupting spellcasting and preventing any spell in that school from being cast for 5 sec.
25 Energy, 18 yd range, Instant, 1 min cooldown
Skull Bash
Bear Form 22 You charge and skull bash the target, interrupting spellcasting and preventing any spell in that school from being cast for 5 sec.
1 Rage, 18 yd range, Instant, 1 min cooldown

for tanks

maul ist an instant which currently deals a shitload of dmg
aoeaggro is difficult cause of swipe doing 500ish in bear
hppool increased
pulverize is quite nice but would love to see a new glyphe so stacks dont drop

[Jon]

Worgen Druid forms

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8606868/wg1.jpg

will provide troll as soon as possible

There's a link to Troll feral forms already on this site.

I saw those a month+ ago, and I kept hoping "this gotta be a joke, this gotta be a joke...", but apparently it isn't. And I was hoping to play a Troll druid in Cata.


As for AoE nerfs.. if those numbers are real, it sucks bigtime. I suspect all classes will suffer the same fate, but I don't like the method they're using to discourage big AoE pulls.

They should do it by making mobs so lethal that CC + single target dps is required, not by nerfing AoE abilities to the ground.

[exochaft]

Skull Bash
Cat Form 22 You charge and skull bash the target, interrupting spellcasting and preventing any spell in that school from being cast for 5 sec.
25 Energy, 18 yd range, Instant, 1 min cooldown
Skull Bash
Bear Form 22 You charge and skull bash the target, interrupting spellcasting and preventing any spell in that school from being cast for 5 sec.
1 Rage, 18 yd range, Instant, 1 min cooldown

I'm having mixed feelings about this one. Not so much the abilities in themselves, but the fact that we have to spend 2 talents points to bring the interrupts (I'm talking PvE) to a useful level. The range is rather huge, but I think most people wanted to have a reliable interrupt, not forced to spend talent points for something slightly overblown and seemingly PvP-oriented (especially looking at the entire talent that reduces the cooldown to 10 seconds).

[Seraphk]

I'm having mixed feelings about this one. Not so much the abilities in themselves, but the fact that we have to spend 2 talents points to bring the interrupts (I'm talking PvE) to a useful level. The range is rather huge, but I think most people wanted to have a reliable interrupt, not forced to spend talent points for something slightly overblown and seemingly PvP-oriented (especially looking at the entire talent that reduces the cooldown to 10 seconds).

They're afraid of Balance / Resto Druids having anymore PvP utility than they currently do. I personally think it's stupid myself. However, in a Bear / PvP build, it's easy -- if not desirable -- to pick up the talent. In a Feral Kitty PvE build, interrupts can be handled by tanks themselves or some other class -- If not, you can use this along with Maim to get interrupts off when they truly matter.

[Casisiempre]

What I think sucks the most is that Feral druids (tanks or dps) will be going 15-20 points into the resto tree, yet the mastery from that tree is worth nothing for us. Other classes at least can make use of the masteries from multiple trees, but not us.

[Heywes]

What I think sucks the most is that Feral druids (tanks or dps) will be going 15-20 points into the resto tree, yet the mastery from that tree is worth nothing for us. Other classes at least can make use of the masteries from multiple trees, but not us.

You don't get the mastery from a tree unless that is the tree with 51%+ of your talents points. Otherwise it gives nothing in terms of mastery.
I could be mistaken but i remember reading that in the interview with GC as it was one of the questions on how talent tree mastery would work.

[Puntar]

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They should do it by making mobs so lethal that CC + single target dps is required, not by nerfing AoE abilities to the ground.

Blizz cannot do that, due to a fact that healing in Cata will be less effective relative to total health.

Well, they could do it, but Blizz took the easy way out.

To make CC + single (double) target viable, Blizz would need to fine tune mobs dps to a level just slightly less than required minimum healing for a tank (and occasional dps).

BTW, Feral Cats will gain 2AP both from Strength and Agility as far as I remember. Unless that got changed in alpha.

[truewolf]

If we do not have armor penetration, and our damage is not bleeding for 70% of total ... if we enhance the bleeding ... What will happen in battles with much change of target? if it is our weak point, it will be much more ...

On the other hand, we enhance the automatic attack and we enhance the fb, but these attacks without armor penetration lost arround 60% of its power.

Am I the only one that thinks that our weak points are going to be even more? Am I the only one who thinks that we'll be dps 70% doters and therefore has much doubt as to adapt this way of doing dps to different types of encounters?

Thanks and sorry for my bad english.

[Alski]

I don't know which Feral Druids you are talking to but trying to stack Lacerates on a target for kitty is a dps loss. Think about it. You spend 1 second to shape shift to bear, 1 second to apply the lacerate, then another second to shape shift back to cat. That is a 3 second dps loss that you could be shredding or keeping up other dots up. In those 3 seconds I could have 1 - 2 Shreds in (depending on OoC proc), where I could crit for 18k damage whereas a 5 stack of lacerate would only generate about 15k damage. In addition, those lacerate generate a lot of threat. If you are close to threat cap with a tank, I wouldn't be trying to stack lacerates to increase the threat I'm doing.

I can see you doing that if you are trying to solo an elite or used in PvP, but in a raid environment, I seriously doubt you are going to be able to do that.

Hinalover, you do the shift to bear form & lacerate while your energy is regenerating. This is something i actually did on my guilds first Algalon kill so i remained right behind the tanks on threat, It was so i could pick him up if one of the tanks happened to die.

The only thing you lose if done right is a few auto attacks and at that point in time i would also mangle in bear(had it glyphed so it was 18 seconds) so i had the extra energy for shreds in cat

tbh i saw a slight difference in my dps while doing that but it made things more complicated

Every cycle i lost ~4 Auto attacks in cat but gained 4 ticks of lacerate, 1 auto attack in bear, the damage of bear mangle and 35 energy from no having to use cat mangle