So I guess Consecration should be off holy pally bars in Cata?

[ShockASU]

Consecration now costs 55% of base mana, up from 22% of base mana.

That's alot of mana to be using just to put it down. Especially considering - didn't they cut the length of time consecration can be down for holy to 10-15 seconds?

[Deleted]

10 second duration and 30 sec cooldown so you wont be using it as often as now and it might still be helpfull to use on large aoe packs sure it will be expensive but you just have to judge if you need thart extra mana or not efore using it

[Lebeau]

The OP was talking about Holy Paladins.

@OP: You can pretty much take it off your bar. The beta version does less damage than the live version as part of the global AoE damage nerf. It also doesn't scale well with our spec due to the ATK coefficient.

[Vec]

Consecration now costs 55% of base mana, up from 22% of base mana.

That's alot of mana to be using just to put it down. Especially considering - didn't they cut the length of time consecration can be down for holy to 10-15 seconds?

55% of the base mana of a paladin is going to be what 3000 to 4000? that is going to be nothing considering holy paladin's are going to have at least 80,000 mana.

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[Cyclone Duke]

As a healer in Cata where mana is precious and you need to avoid overhealing and choose your heals carefully... yes you are not going to throw away mana on a lol-consecrate when you need to save mana to heal people

[Elessa]

55% of the base mana of a paladin is going to be what 3000 to 4000? that is going to be nothing considering holy paladin's are going to have at least 80,000 mana.

5% of your total mana for a weak damage spell is nothing? Really?

[Eliot123]

Why would a holy Paladin use consecrate anyhow? I mean..are there fights tuned so finely on dps requirements that you need your healers to add to the damage?

Except that they are placing talents in every healing tree that work with damaging spells (disc priest - attonement, resto shaman - telluric currents, resto druid - fury of stormrage, holy paladin - denounce).
Personally, I wouldn't mind casting a damaging spell here and there as healer, there are always those few moments when mana is not an issue and no one is taking damage...

[Cyclone Duke]

Except that they are placing talents in every healing tree that work with damaging spells (disc priest - attonement, resto shaman - telluric currents, resto druid - fury of stormrage, holy paladin - denounce).
Personally, I wouldn't mind casting a damaging spell here and there as healer, there are always those few moments when mana is not an issue and no one is taking damage...

And in those cases you'd be casting your free and instant exo, not wasting 5% mana to run in and consecrate

[aerwah]

55% of the base mana of a paladin is going to be what 3000 to 4000? that is going to be nothing considering holy paladin's are going to have at least 80,000 mana.

currently it costs 6.6k mana, expect to see it up to 12k when we are level 85.

[Eliot123]

And in those cases you'd be casting your free and instant exo, not wasting 5% mana to run in and consecrate

Except that this doesn't only apply to boss (one-mob) fights. Also, afaik exorcism still has 15 second cooldown in Cata no?

[Elovan]

Except that this doesn't only apply to boss (one-mob) fights. Also, afaik exorcism still has 15 second cooldown in Cata no?

Nope, Exo is down to a 6 second cd.

[fex]

The only time a holy paladin should be using consecration is in PvP, anyway. Yes, it's a small nerf, but it's just collateral damage from the nerfing of AoE overall. Unlike our poor retribution cousins, holy paladins are actually shaping up to look pretty good in Cataclysm PvP, even if we won't be able to pop rogues out quite as easily.

[Vec]

currently it costs 6.6k mana, expect to see it up to 12k when we are level 85.

Are you saying that a holy paladin with no armor on is going to have 22k mana?

[sidphoenix]

wouldnt be shocked-im already seeing them geared running around with 60k+. stam and int scaling is being completely rethought in these 5 levels

[Syntic]

Yeah, as its looking right now, the scaling is pretty insane, so I could see you using Cons, just not nearly as much as Paladins do currently.

[Vec]

Recipe: Seafood Magnifique Feast on the front page with the new heirloom items restores 92,307 health and 72,000 mana over 32 seconds.

I think they will have plenty of mana.

[Lebeau]

Are you saying that a holy paladin with no armor on is going to have 22k mana?

That's not how base mana works exactly, but yes. I'm at ~15k naked atm. Base values seem to be increasing by 1.4x the value of the previous level.

The point is that Consecrate damage for Holy is absolutely abysmal. The only thing that does less damage is SoR (189!).

If you are trying to DPS you are better off using your mana for Judgement, Holy Shock (offensive), Exorcism, Holy Wrath, or Hammer of Wrath.