Holy - Conviction Wastes 3 talent points!?

[EndGame]

Just tested it with and without Divinity, didn't get any higher ticks on my group.

I did extensive testing. It also seems to, but I wasn't able to confirm this, increase healing done to you by other targets. (Divinity was not in my spec for any of my testing).

IE: Priest heals me for 9.6k-9.8k. I get Conviction up, he now heals me for 10.2k - 10.7k.

I've been posting threads on the bug forum for 2 weeks now reporting this error. The threads always seem to disappear.

[Nillo]

Ok speccing into Tower of Radiance again !_!

[Elessa]

That could be the case Fizzlebeard, I was in a group. I'll take screenies when I do the daily heroic later today.

[Deleted]

A GM just confirmed it to me: Conviction IS bugged.

[thoukaia]

Conviction bugged, EG bugged, mastery half-bugged, whats next? You'd think that 1 month into the expansion they'd have fixed at least these, i guess they're busy balancing frost mages and TB, ohwait!

[Deleted]

WE dont need any other tests, just look at this:

Conviction (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=20053)
two effects:
Effect #1 Apply Aura: Mod Damage Done % (3)
Value: 3
Effect #2 Apply Aura: Mod Healing Taken - % (127)
Value: 3

and look at Divinity (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=63648)
Effect #1 Apply Aura: Mod Healing Taken - % (127)
Value: 6
Effect #2 Apply Aura: Mod Healing Power - % (127)
Value: 6

See? Its a BUG.

[Deleted]

GM Ticket and reply:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3...1411184737.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9...1411184742.jpg

According to the GM Conviction is working as intended, meaning its not supposed to increase our healing to others just our own and has a misleading tooltip. Time to use those 3 points on something thats actually useful.

Edit: What the hell i see posts above stating GMs saying its bugged? This is so confusing, the GM in the pics above says its working correctly.

[Elessa]

Turns out it doesn't increase healing to others. I tried it just now both with and without gear and without the Seal of Insight buff to eliminate everything that could have an impact on it, and it doesn't increase healing to others at all. I could've sworn it worked when I tested it a few days ago...

Anyway, this is what I will be using from now on
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#scIbzr...bZcb:acVsMaczM

[mysteel]

http : //eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1549665199#1

Made a post on offical forum about it with some testing

After reading around on forums I have stumpled over a pretty big mistake in either the talent or the talent tooltip of Conviction in the Holy paladin tree.

Conviction Rank 3
Gives you a 3% bonus to damage and healing for 15 sec after causing a critical effect from a weapon swing, spell, or ability. This effect stacks up to 3 times.

The tooltip clearly states that it increases your healin done by 3/6/9% on youself AND on other targets, as it does no state that it is only on yourself. Now after i read about this on some forums I decided to test this myself and came to the conclusion that Conviction does not affect your healing done to your targets, but only to yourself.
All these tests are done with the talent points of the screenshot below without Divinity and I do not have any sort of other healing taken bonus on me of any sort.

Talents:

Proof:
Healing target with no Conviction stacks on me:
1. 8173 none crit
2. 8503 none crit
Average 8338 heal

Healing target with 3 Conviction stacks on me:
1. 8390 none crit
2. 8432 none crit
3. 8539 none crit
4. 8376 none crit
5. 8443 none crit
Average 8436 heal (taking 9% off is 7676.76 which is no where near average heal with no conviction up)


Healing self with no Conviction stacks on me:
1. 8237 none crit
2. 8261 none crit
3. 8268 none crit
4. 8378 none crit
Average 8286 heal


Healing self with 3 conviction stacks on me:
1. 9028 none crit
2. 8981 none crit
3. 8923 none crit
4. 8830 none crit
5. 9238 none crit
6. 9276 none crit
Average 9046 heal (taking 9% off is 8231.86 which is pretty close to my heals with no conviction)


I have tried this on players with no healing taken bonus aswell with exactly the same result.
The conclusion of this is weather the tooltip is showing wrong, or the talent isn't working correctly. It would be very appriciated if we can get a blue post on this matter as holy paladins will read this and test it themselves, and find that the talent currently is completly useless for holy paladins.

Cheers

Removed all the links as i dont have rights to link them

[TickTickTick]

WE dont need any other tests, just look at this:

Conviction (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=20053)
two effects:
Effect #1 Apply Aura: Mod Damage Done % (3)
Value: 3
Effect #2 Apply Aura: Mod Healing Taken - % (127)
Value: 3

and look at Divinity (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=63648)
Effect #1 Apply Aura: Mod Healing Taken - % (127)
Value: 6
Effect #2 Apply Aura: Mod Healing Power - % (127)
Value: 6

See? Its a BUG.

QFT. The question remains: is the bug in the way this talent works, or is it misleading tooltip. If the case is in tooltip, then I have no idea why does this talent even exist.

[Elessa]

QFT. The question remains: is the bug in the way this talent works, or is it misleading tooltip. If the case is in tooltip, then I have no idea why does this talent even exist.

I agree. What's the point for a healer to have a healing taken stacking buff? We already have Protector of the Innocent.
This should be a DPS talent, they like to stand in fire.

[TickTickTick]

I agree. What's the point for a healer to have a healing taken stacking buff? We already have Protector of the Innocent.
This should be a DPS talent, they like to stand in fire.

Maybe that was a bit of a love for shockadins (or rather - exodins), lol.

[burritoloco]

This has been a huge waste of a talent. Thank whoever for pointing this out. I wonder why Blizz would put this talent so deep in the tree if the tooltip IS NOT misleading. Do we have any confirmation either way on the tooltip issue? Does it only effect self healing, or is it suppose to effect both and is broken? GMs have said both ways from what I've seen.

[Elessa]

Maybe that was a bit of a love for shockadins (or rather - exodins), lol.

Still, that doesn't make 'em any better, lol.

[FiveDkp]

time to spec blessed life.

[Nillo]

time to spec blessed life.

I thought that already applied after the tower of radiance nerf
=> time to spec tower of radiance again!

[Elessa]

I found out that ToR netted me way more HP than Blessed Life did, so I didn't spec out of it.
=> time to spec blessed life.

[Deleted]

Just had a blue reply to the EU thread - the issue is known and has been passed on for further investigation.

Thank you for your report Mysteel and you can also post in our bug reporting sticky should you find anything that you feel is not working as it should.

(Sticky)4.0.3a/Cataclysm Known Issues & Bug Reports
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/916822059

With regards to this issue, we have had other reports on it and it has been passed on for further investigation.

[armpit]

Wow, can't believe i didn't notice this. I wonder how long it has been this way. I'm fairly certain it was working right at some point in the past.

[Phosey]

Wow, that's a very interesting find, thanks for sharing

Blessed Life + Tower of Radiance + Paragon of Virtue go!

One point in 10yd Judgements as well