Dear Plebs: A letter from a lvl 25 guild.

[coldbear]

Everything the guy wrote makes sense to me. 900+ members just turned to crap.

The people who got gkicked are better off starting their own guild or apping for a serious raid spot.

Play with people on your level with your amount of time to play who are interested in what you are interested in. Anything else just turns into drama.

[Bombkirby]

from the letter:
and gchat just eventually became a giant sea from which all the idiots could troll.

That implies it.

His attitude implies he's stretching the truth. In other words....pix or it didn't happen. He just does not hit me as a man of good judgement. I'm not saying he made up the trolling part...I just mean he might have mistaken people having a joking conversation as trolling. But honestly it COULDN'T have been SO bad that he felt he needed to kick basically every living soul out of the guild.

[Solzan Nemesis]

He didn't break any ToS, it is working as intended.

And one should be add.

[Bakinpacman]

If the guild master never told anyone he was going to kick them after the guild hit level 25 i believe it can be considered fraudulent as he has used them to actively level the guild up and gave them no knowledge they were not going to be able to use any of the things they worked for.

Also i am guessing he kept all of the guild bank items for himself/guild and a lot of those items are potentially scammed now.

In all honesty the guild should have experience removed and items removed from their guild bank if they kicked players on a whim who were actively pushing the guild forward while the "raiding team" probably did bugger all to hit the experience cap.

[Grym]

Sounds like the 900+ people are not doing anything anyway.

Do they get taken in main raid? No.
Do they form their own raid? No.
Do they help each other on HC and dungeons? No.
Do they do research on their own class? No.
Do they try to get raid prepared? No.

So why are they crying they get kicked? Doesn't sound like they have much for being in the guild anyway other than some of the perks that many guilds already have.

[Critcryin]

His attitude implies he's stretching the truth. In other words....pix or it didn't happen. He just does not hit me as a man of good judgement. I'm not saying he made up the trolling part...I just mean he might have mistaken people having a joking conversation as trolling.

Most of the people in the guild are / were trolls. They constantly filled up trade with random junk, as well as /general of any leveling zone. Shift clicking the names and seeing that guild never surprised me. I can imagine it was just as bad in guild chat.

[Idaho Immortal]

If you don't work to be a part of a guild, you don't deserve to be in the guild. Period. I agree with this a hundred percent.

edit: side thought, the officers could have set up a secondary guild for these people for their contributions and offered everyones invites to this. give people a chance to prove themselves useful, and use the secondary guild as a recruitting tool. It's a lot of work to maintain a professional image, but that's exactly what it would have done.

[feo]

If the guild master never told anyone he was going to kick them after the guild hit level 25 i believe it can be considered fraudulent as he has used them to actively level the guild up and gave them no knowledge they were not going to be able to use any of the things they worked for.

Also i am guessing he kept all of the guild bank items for himself/guild and a lot of those items are potentially scammed now.

In all honesty the guild should have experience removed and items removed from their guild bank if they kicked players on a whim who were actively pushing the guild forward while the "raiding team" probably did bugger all to hit the experience cap.

He didn't kick everyone, only the dumb ones. It's not like he kicked the entire guild and reveled in the money.

[Bakinpacman]

No but he did kick the players who were pushing the guild forward experience wise and those people were probably supplying the guild bank with items.

[Unionoob]

well.. I don't see why you should kick them? just make so there ranged people can't talk in guild chat and keep them. They would get perks, would be able to buy goodies like mounts, heirlooms but still give gold for guild bank.

Tho I kinda approve idea with " if you kick person your guild loses all exp he gave " and " if person gquits he loses all and guild keeps it "

[Heltoray]

not that I care about this, but I always knew the guild leveling model would lead to sth like this. Don't tell me, you didn't see it coming. Anyway, the whole system is just idiotic and unnecessary except that it punishes smaller guilds...

[Bombkirby]

Yall ARE forgetting that they didn't ask and beg to join. Its like grabbing a bunch of hobos to work in a restaurant for free, expecting them to do a good job, getting angry at them, and then firing them all. Most won't care they got fired. Many of you are like "They DESERVED to be kicked!" They didn't even ask to join anyways. Its not like they begged to join and are upset they were punished for "not doing any work." But the problem lies in the fact that you hurt many people who were doing no harm. Like that Mother and Child. They seemed innocent. As far as I can tell they weren't part of the troll problem. This was a mess made by the GM but he coulda cleaned it up a lot better than this.

I'm starting to think this is going no where. Its just another "Who's right? Me or these losers?" thread which are merely created to boost the morale of the thread author except they are cleverly disguised as a debate thread.....

[Critcryin]

He didn't kick everyone, only the dumb ones. It's not like he kicked the entire guild and reveled in the money.

Look up the guild, only 89 people. Out of 900+? Only 10% was kept.

Yall ARE forgetting that they didn't ask and beg to join.

Actually, a lot of them did, begging in Trade to join just because of the guild level.

[Grym]

If the guild master never told anyone he was going to kick them after the guild hit level 25 i believe it can be considered fraudulent

No it cannot.

Do you tell people they will eventually get kicked when you invite someone to join? No. You can argue that he has the intention to, but then, can you prove it? It MIGHT be obvious, but being obvious doesn't make it a proof, and yes Blizzard work on the basis of proof over something obvious (ninja loot for example). He also stated he gave some of the people a few weeks to see if they actually do anything other than just occupied in the guild, to some guild (especially raiding guilds), that is a valid kicking reason. While you also might argue they are not a raiding guild, rules (Blizzard rules, not guild rules) are not made according to different type of guilds, so 1 rule is set for all guilds.

[coldfiredragon]

This illistrates the need to choose your guild wisely and not just join a guild spamming "Accepting all classes and levels".

[kaijyuu]

I can see both sides of this.


IMO the only things the guild leader did wrong was A) condescending attitude, and B) not being up front that he was gonna kick people.

On the other hand, it kinda sucks that a guild leader can take away everything you've done for a guild.


Those who were kicked can form their own guild.

[Bakinpacman]

No it cannot.

Do you tell people they will eventually get kicked when you invite someone to join? No. You can argue that he has the intention to, but then, can you prove it? It MIGHT be obvious, but being obvious doesn't make it a proof, and yes Blizzard work on the basis of proof over something obvious (ninja loot for example). He also stated he gave some of the people a few weeks to see if they actually do anything other than just occupied in the guild, to some guild (especially raiding guilds), that is a valid kicking reason. While you also might argue they are not a raiding guild, rules (Blizzard rules, not guild rules) are not made according to different type of guilds, so 1 rule is set for all guilds.

So in your guild you remove people who farm your raiding team materials for raiding teams and laugh at them after they have done all that work?

[Bombkirby]

Actually, a lot of them did, begging in Trade to join just because of the guild level.

Just as a reminder...

But the problem lies in the fact that you hurt many people who were doing no harm.

So its still not justified until every single member is proven guilty.

[Grym]

So in your guild you remove people who farm your raiding team materials for raiding teams and laugh at them after they have done all that work?

They won't even get invited if they weren't raid ready.

[Bombkirby]

Now that think of it...this is kind of like the Culling of Stratholme. Everyone must be purged...you can risk nothing!

But the very least invite the promising souls back!!!