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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    I don't even OWN the champion. This has snowballed from a few pages ago.
    We are just discussing it, and if you don't play her, I don't understand why you still think those items are good on her.

    You don't even have experience with her it seems, so saying that X or Y is better, compared to what we said is better, is just bad, as in, you're wrong about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rampant Rabbit View Post
    What passive on Nashor's Tooth are you talking about? Are you confusing yourself with Malady?
    Yeah, I was confusing with that one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Sorry for cutting the rest of the quote.

    The only passive Nashor's has is 20% CDR, and that's stronger than the 15% on Athene's, and it doesn't have a proc.
    I confused that item with Malady, my mistake, but it still applies because it has been already said that CDR on her isn't good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KunkkaTheAdmiral View Post
    Thats some funny discussion, laughed a few times. Get boots / 3 Potions or go home anyways.

    Doran's is not always the answer but calling for 2 v 1 or 5 v 1 isn't either :P
    Dude, I'd happily do it. 1v5. Go big or go home.

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    Are we still discussing a tool that had different DPS results on Warwicks ulti for Zerker greaves, Ninja Tabi and Mercury treads? DO YOU NEED MORE PROOF ITS BROKEN?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    We are just discussing it, and if you don't play her, I don't understand why you still think those items are good on her.

    You don't even have experience with her it seems, so saying that X or Y is better, compared to what we said is better, is just bad, as in, you're wrong about it.
    If I'm wrong about it, then use the tool to prove it.

    Which is what I've been saying all along, and what I've been doing all along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    ...I don't need fixing.

    The tool isn't faulty. Replacing the mana item with an attack speed item with better stats show a massive improvement in TTK. See above.
    Yes, you do. And yes, the tool is faulty - I'm afraid Nashor's is terrible item for Akali as well. AS, Mana regen and CDR are not needed by her. Please understand that AMR might be an agreeable tool to min-max your gear for a dummy target fight in wow, but not to create a proper build in LoL...

    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    If I'm wrong about it, then use the tool to prove it.

    Which is what I've been saying all along, and what I've been doing all along.
    Why would ANYONE use a faulty tool that is incapable of taking 90% of the game into account to prove a point? UNDERSTAND. LoL is not a 1v1 dummy target fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanjori View Post
    Are we still discussing a tool that had different DPS results on Warwicks ulti for Zerker greaves, Ninja Tabi and Mercury treads? DO YOU NEED MORE PROOF ITS BROKEN?!?
    The dummy slowly scales up over time, so that "proof" is debunked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    If I'm wrong about it, then use the tool to prove it.

    Which is what I've been saying all along, and what I've been doing all along.
    which is redundant because your tool has the dumbest builds. It's the mobafire of the Simulator world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    If I'm wrong about it, then use the tool to prove it.

    Which is what I've been saying all along, and what I've been doing all along.
    We don't need tools, a stupid one might I add, to prove this.

    I'm pretty sure a player's experience is way better than just some tool, especially when that player has played for over a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    We don't need tools, a stupid one might I add, to prove this.

    I'm pretty sure a player's experience is way better than just some tool, especially when that player has played for over a year.
    or closer to 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    the tool is faulty
    Prove it.

    And, once again, Nashor's replaced Athene's to stop the constant QQ about Athene's, and nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StylesClashv3 View Post
    or closer to 3.
    I've been playing over a year now, I wasn't sure if you played for two years or not, or three.
    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Prove it.

    And, once again, Nashor's replaced Athene's to stop the constant QQ about Athene's, and nothing more.
    It really doesn't matter.

    Changing a bad item to a bad item is still bad regardless.

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    There is no tool to prove it, because no tool does take in consideration that you actually do something else then hitting a dummy that does not move, uses spells or fights back in any way, shape or form.

    The pure DPS graphs you provide maybe acurate, I don't know this program you use for making this graphs so I do not trust it anways but the results that thing provides is not the same that would be the case in a real match, vs moving and actually fighting enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Prove it.

    And, once again, Nashor's replaced Athene's to stop the constant QQ about Athene's, and nothing more.
    God's real. Prove he isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StylesClashv3 View Post
    which is redundant because your tool has the dumbest builds. It's the mobafire of the Simulator world.
    I placed your build in it and it did worse than the suggested build.

    Does that make your build "dumber than the dumbest"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StylesClashv3 View Post
    God's real. Prove he isn't.
    God isn't a mathematical tool you can pick apart.

    False analogy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post

    God isn't a mathematical tool you can pick apart.

    False analogy.
    Prove it. I say he is. Ergo, I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    We don't need stupid tools to prove this.
    I find it quite intelligent, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Prove it.

    And, once again, Nashor's replaced Athene's to stop the constant QQ about Athene's, and nothing more.
    Clearly it didnt, because it's still a stupid item to build on Akali. That much should be clear from our comments. IF you're just switching items to shut people up, then you're really doing it wrong. There have been many points stated on why both items are not the best picks for Akali, and all you've been doing is post screenshots and tell us to "prove it", or in some even funnier moments, to "prove it with AMR".

    You're wrong, and that stupid tool is wrong. Start reading the replies with actual arguments in it, and STOP telling us to prove it after we just did exactly that.

    Fucking hell you're dense.

  18. #21358
    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    The dummy slowly scales up over time, so that "proof" is debunked.
    Ionian and Ninja Tabi dont cost the same, they have the same DPS out. Try again please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StylesClashv3 View Post
    Prove it. I say he is. Ergo, I'm right.
    You're having a conversation about beliefs.

    I'm having a conversation about logic and numbers.

    Until you come back into my conversational sphere, you're going to have a problem applying what you say to my arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    I find it quite intelligent, actually.
    Yes, a machine or a site is way more intelligent than a human being.


    Also, those tools are there for new players and not experienced players, that only helps new players and unexperienced people, I don't really know what to say anymore about this tool being bad.

    Tools are there just to give you an IDEA, they don't say that X is 100% correct or Y is 100% incorrect.

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