Thread: Shadow Priest Single Target DPS

before i get flamed to death here check this out. so i do have a clue of what im talking about:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/553/6129dps.jpg
its no burst... boss is allrdy at 45% and without poping hero. got to 7.1 when hero was poped + fiend closer to the kill.

the only problem is see with single target dps is the relatively long "setup time".
we switch targets (if old target aint ticking with dots for some reason) we loose dps.

not like mages,boomkins,destros,ellies with relatively small set up time our dps mostly dots based starts ticking only like 15-20 sec into the fight.
thats around 7-8 sec of seting up all dots and stacks and another 7-8 sec to compensate for the first 7-8 seting up low dmg...

that means that any boss that resets (changes phases like xt heart, toc worms, razor p1, anubarak p1, etc) you have like 15 sec each "reset" before u truly start hitting hard, and if u can hit the boss for 45 sec before next reset that means your max dps will be ticking for only about 30 of his uptime.

now for your problem:
GEAR - if you were holy meaning most of your gear is spirit stacked forget about dpsing... you need spellpower and crit as your main stats.
i do not know what gear you have but im guessing its not dps oriented, so first get some dps gearing spellpower and crit max those as much as you can. as some one said 15% crit is very low.
and ofc glyphs...

Rotation - are you sure u keep all dots up? in the correct order? do you clip VT or DP? do you clip mindflay where you shouldnt ? or do clip it when you should?
most bosses arent single target do you multi dot and keep all offtargets doted (with bos)? do you pop fiend and other trinkets use on hero?

EDIT:
get improved shadow form as a shadow priest u channeling alot of your mindflay and each aoe hit steals from you one tick or so... on a 8 min boss fight thats alot of downtime.
and get a spd increase enchant for your boots if u dont have it allrdy. get out of bad stuff faster meaning more time for doing your job.

Originally Posted by Shibba

before i get flamed to death here check this out. so i do have a clue of what im talking about:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/553/6129dps.jpg
its no burst... boss is allrdy at 45% and without poping hero. got to 7.1 when hero was poped + fiend closer to the kill.

the only problem is see with single target dps is the relatively long "setup time".
we switch targets (if old target aint ticking with dots for some reason) we loose dps.

not like mages,boomkins,destros,ellies with relatively small set up time our dps mostly dots based starts ticking only like 15-20 sec into the fight.
thats around 7-8 sec of seting up all dots and stacks and another 7-8 sec to compensate for the first 7-8 seting up low dmg...

that means that any boss that resets (changes phases like xt heart, toc worms, razor p1, anubarak p1, etc) you have like 15 sec each "reset" before u truly start hitting hard, and if u can hit the boss for 45 sec before next reset that means your max dps will be ticking for only about 30 of his uptime.

now for your problem:
GEAR - if you were holy meaning most of your gear is spirit stacked forget about dpsing... you need spellpower and crit as your main stats.
i do not know what gear you have but im guessing its not dps oriented, so first get some dps gearing spellpower and crit max those as much as you can. as some one said 15% crit is very low.
and ofc glyphs...

Rotation - are you sure u keep all dots up? in the correct order? do you clip VT or DP? do you clip mindflay where you shouldnt ? or do clip it when you should?
most bosses arent single target do you multi dot and keep all offtargets doted (with bos)? do you pop fiend and other trinkets use on hero?

EDIT:
get improved shadow form as a shadow priest u channeling alot of your mindflay and each aoe hit steals from you one tick or so... on a 8 min boss fight thats alot of downtime.
and get a spd increase enchant for your boots if u dont have it allrdy. get out of bad stuff faster meaning more time for doing your job.

dont take a ss of u mind searing adds and then try and brag about it lol

Originally Posted by scotty

dont take a ss of u mind searing adds and then try and brag about it lol

just for you self buffed dummy bashing:
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2213/4kdummy.jpg
and yeah 1.7mil dmg so again no burst with raid buffs shadows can get + 25-30% effectivens.

if you actualy knew something about priests you would know that mind searing 4 targets is usseles... :/ coz only 3 will get dmg
youd have much better dmg if u suistain dots on 2 targets instead of searing 4... but oh well.

with good ms not much movement and some addons u might keep boss+2 with full dots, if u try to dot more than 3, then your targets will die before any real dmg will start ticking mindflay is a must... you will just waste gcd's on redoting.

Originally Posted by Atremini

Shibba what addons do you use? I like your UI its very clean and those custom spell icons with the cd timers are very nice.

Map: SexyMap (simple square preset).
Raid frames: Grid (made all the backround layout etc transparent so that only the unit frames are visable).
Boss Encounters: Bigwigs.
Bars: IceHud - Mana/HP/Casting/Target Casting/Focus Casting - disabled all the other extras it has simply unimportant.
Showoff: Recount+Guessed Absorbs plugin.
Timers+CD's: ButtonTimers - configured to be vertical instead of horizontal + show bars and numeric timers. can track: channeling, Dots, and CD's of anything that u can cast. also its clickable, meaning ure able to click cast on the run when left hand is busy with WASD.
Procs & Events: PowerAuras - nice to know when a trinket procs, when heroism poped or your friend disc just Power Infused you. i have a bunch of custom made stuff that it tracks.

Originally Posted by notanarrogantwizard

oh and whats bothering me: how did you do 1.7 million dmg on a training dummy, that only lost 700k health? unless the training dummies in stormwind are very different from the ones in orgrimmar, there is something wrong.

tbh i have no idea how is that possible, at start i thought it might have been some natural hp regen of the dummy (simulating a boss like creature) but im not sure of it.
on a side note if you implying that i doted more than one target or aoed to get the dps and then turned the view to the main dummy ill add another screeny with detailed info on top3 targets from that exact same recount fight (only one dummy is there).

would be funny if ill be accused of photoshoping it then ill be out of excuses hehe

back to topic:
yes with higher haste ratings mind sear proves very valuable tool mostly on trash. even if the trash is near boss, u can reach 8k dps total but on boss u have lausy 2.7k - unacceptable.
i wont argue mind sear is great aoe and i love it, and on some ocasions i spam it ftw, yet this post was made about single target dpsing untill i got accused of fraud :/
on fights like emalon where u need to kill one add there is no point of aoing and doing crapy dps on the enraged add and risking all go boom... focusing Vt+SWP+DP on boss and having VT+SWP+MF's on the secondary target yields tons of dmg done, and even when all other mages boomkins where aoeing i never saw my self fall far behind with dotingup to 3 targets and focusing one of them...-this way the dmg is on the right targets and not just aoeing all at once.
if some one wants to top meteres go aoe onyx whelps 50 targets 25k dps ftw

Originally Posted by Shibba

before i get flamed to death here check this out. so i do have a clue of what im talking about:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/553/6129dps.jpg
its no burst... boss is allrdy at 45% and without poping hero. got to 7.1 when hero was poped + fiend closer to the kill.

the only problem is see with single target dps is the relatively long "setup time".
we switch targets (if old target aint ticking with dots for some reason) we loose dps.

not like mages,boomkins,destros,ellies with relatively small set up time our dps mostly dots based starts ticking only like 15-20 sec into the fight.
thats around 7-8 sec of seting up all dots and stacks and another 7-8 sec to compensate for the first 7-8 seting up low dmg..

Grats on not having to move and getting a good use of heroism uptime or crits, k.

Originally Posted by Wolfos

Shadow priests are extremely fun and when played correctly can top the dps meters.
i suggest l2p or go play runescape.

1. Shadowpriests are pretty fun to play when you learn to play properly.
2. Shadowpriests will never even compete on single target meters, on AOE and dotting yes, but still will be outdone by other classes.
3. When people make assumptions about 'top' guilds dps meters being topped by priests they are either looking at a rare fight where shadowpriests shine, or are talking out of there ass. I've seen multiple WWS/WMO's that shadowpriests have played very well, eg 95% uptime on dots and a <7.5sec Mind blast and have still been outdone by other classes.

Originally Posted by Worshaka

However as i've pointed out you don't need to top dps meters to contribute, nor do you need to top dps meters to be a good player. It's just that the wow community is so self focused and vain that if you don't top the dps meters you don't feel all warm and fuzzy. As this person did, you want to post screen shots of your dps as evidence to how great you are.

^^ So true

I don't mind being bad dps, if I'm brought to raids and no one pokes fun at my dps.

It's a different story in fights where we can multi-DoT though. I'm ending up usually 4th-8th or so on Anub 25 hc.

Originally Posted by Worshaka

However as i've pointed out you don't need to top dps meters to contribute, nor do you need to top dps meters to be a good player. It's just that the wow community is so self focused and vain that if you don't top the dps meters you don't feel all warm and fuzzy. As this person did, you want to post screen shots of your dps as evidence to how great you are.

Fact is spriest are still involved in world first kills, they are viable. Do we have the best structual single target dps? No, but who cares, spriests are fun to play (PvE) and I don't require dps numbers to reinforce my ego.

I Rolled my Spriest IN BC, I don't have a problem with being last on DPS, this is because shadow priest had the single most unique and overpowered utility in the game.
Now that Blizzard are completely retarded and we suddenly want to bring the player, not the class + a Shaman + a Demo Lock + god knows what if u want to min/max DPS.
You are right to an extent that you are talking from a casual PoV.
Me? I want to be useful in a raid.

I can think of 1 Fight we utterly shine on in wotlk, that is ONY, hell, casters are supposed to be on Ony herself anyway.
Inb4 mim/freya/yogg
Once people are comfortable with said fights they start to increase their dps/damage done.

Lets talk about Anub25 HM
-Swarm Scarab, after each burrow phase and there is a million and 1 adds running around lots of movement too, sounds like it is good for spriest dps? well it is until you want to do hardmode and everyone gathers around and melee AoE them down whilst u get 1-2 puny VT ticks.
-Burrowers, VT+SWP all the adds is the 2nd best aspect of this fight for spriest since they have a decent health pool and you get a full VT duration out of them
-Phase 3, VE/DP > Leeching Swarm, without ANY heals i stay at 7k Hp give or take, which is crap.
i NEED to be at 2-3k HP,but it does heal the group for a good ammount, combined with a Shamans healing stream that group requires no heals unless they get penetrating cold. THIS IS HARDMODE NOT LETS PICK FLOWERS AND THROW THEM AT ANUB AND JUST HEAL LIKE NORMAL 25M.

10m Anub HM, Caster group?
Going for Mad Skill atleast?
don't want a shadow priest?
yea i thought so.

Sure shadow priests are fun, but Im not a care bear casual who will settle for play style.
SHADOW PRIESTS NEED DPS OR UTILITY, if you disagree, there is no words to describe how ignorant you are.