Thread: top dps?

Originally Posted by gherkin

1 demo lock is mandatory.
destro is about 500-1000 dps behind in BIS gear from affliction

otherwise tied.

Unless gherkin is affliction and I am destro then the gap is only 22 dps :P

Originally Posted by gherkin

1 demo lock is mandatory.
destro is about 500-1000 dps behind in BIS gear from affliction

otherwise tied.

Uh, this is only on tank-n-spank style fights that last a certain length. On fights of longer length, or with lots of adds, or lots of movement, Afflic is much further ahead than this. Demo is also ahead of Destro on most of those same fights.

Destro is viable, but viable does not imply optimal. Going Destro means you'll be competing with hybrids on DPS and being beaten by most of them, while going Afflic means you'll be competing mostly against pures, Feral Druids and Fury Warriors. In most ICC fights Destro is 1.5k+ behind Afflic on average.

I find Affliction the best DPS.
Destruction has just a boring rotation.
And Demonology has a fun rotation but not as great of DPS.

Raids usually consist of 1 Demonology Warlock and rest are Affliction.
Demonology has pretty good direct damage but not as good as Destruction.

Choose:
Affliction -- Full boss DPS.
Demonology -- Makes raid happy and is #2 on DPS.
Destruction -- Best direct damage but only for about 12 seconds.

My Warlock is PvE Affliction PvP Affliction.

Originally Posted by admielke

Destruction has just a boring rotation.
And Demonology has a fun rotation but not as great of DPS.

i find demonology rotation exceptionally boring, while destro is quite fun
at least for me

Demo's rotation is pretty boring until you hit higher haste levels. It gets pretty fun once you start reaching 1250'ish haste and your Shadow Bolts get down to the 1.7'ish range. I'd tend agree though, typically the more complicated rotations are more fun. Demo's is ridiculously easy. Destro has the most complicated of the PVE rotations, so it shouldn't be surprising that it's more appealing. I'm still up in the air on which I consider easier between Demo and Afflic though. I think Demo is harder until 25%, then Afflic is harder. But, I'm not sure the tiny bit harder above 25% compares to the much more difficult rotation under 25%. Especially when Demo also has an easier rotation under 35%.

Oh and apologies to anyone still believing Afflic is a hard rotation, or Destro is faceroll. Neither are remotely true in 3.3.3. :P

affliction is the hardest dps spec ingame of all classes i must say and i tried alot. and if you dont think so. i doubt you are the one who are doing 14k-15k dps on best bosses.

affliction is top dps

destro IS faceroll yet still quite fun to play

demo is better dps than destro but annoying and fairly clunky in play style


on the destro topic: i swapped to destro last night purely for LK because we had no stuns / slows for valkyrs and we needed replenishment. My dps went down about 5-700.. and the rotation is much easier to pick up than affliction... i will definitely be going back to affliction, more dps.. harder to play which makes me focus more / more fun for me.

I've seen afflication always out perform both demo and destro with demo being slightly ahead of course, although I mostly think its because of the execute factor, since Demo and Afflic both have execute while destro still sadly doesn't :<

Last time i tried destro in 25 man i was on par with our afflic lock until 25% =\

im sorry im confused are some people here saying that destro is a HARD rotation whilst demo is EASY?

lets look at the facts :

Destro;
Life tap every 40 seconds for the buff
1 Dot to keep up
2 spells that arent spam, one of which is instant cast
1 spam button
no cooldown to manage
no execute phase

Demo;
Life tape every 20 seconds to keep a steady mana pool
3dots to keep up
1 random 3 stack proc to keep an eye out for
1 spam button with a long cast
1 cool down to use along with a aura to pop
A execute phase involving keep at least 2 of the 3 dots up aswell as throwing a bolt in every now and then to keep the 5% crit chance up
The fact you need to have a clue about what buffs ur pet is getting due to it being equal to about 1/5 of your total dps
Gearing and gemming alot more complex then destro if ur a rDPS demo lock.

correct me if im wrong?

Atm Me and my fellow raiding warlock in my guild, we are both destro and its working out just fine for us, yesterday the other lock managed to gain the 1 rank on worldoflogs on bq hc25 with 22.7k dps, also hes doing arround 13k on bosses like fester. While saying affli is supposed to be much better i would say that it completly depends on the person playing the lock and on the amount of buffs the affli lock gains ( as TotT and such ). Otherwise i still think destro can do fine on most bosses.

Offcourse affli will probaly be always better in numbers, but if your stuck like me on some laggy realm, than its not such a good deal to go affli since the lag will get you a bigger chance of letting your corrupt fall off.

And if people are saying im bullshitting than well try it yourself its easy to get 12k+ in the 10% buff as destro, i think we will see ~14.5k+ numbers on the 15% buff in full 277 gear.

The thing is, just play as you like to play, if you hate to play affli, why play affli destro isn't that much behind. And for Demon, well me and my fellow lock are well ahead of his dps. You just have to get 1 lock to go demon for the insane Overpowered buff.

@Immortalone: The issue is never the number of abilities involved, but the difficulty in managing them. Demo has two DoTs, neither of which is a prerequisite ability. Demo does not need to worry about clashing much at all so DoTs falling off temporarily is not a significant DPS loss. Demo spams Shadow Bolts until MC procs, then pops off Incinerates instead, under 35% they just throw Soul Fire and don't refresh DoT if a MC proc is active. Destro on the other hand manages a large haste buff, a DoT that is a prerequisite and two cooldown based attacks both of which frequently clash with their DoT timer.

It's easy to reach near maximum DPS as Demo. Very easy. The skill comes in managing MC and pre-execute Decimation procs properly. Destro on the other hand has a very tight rotation with many abilities that line up in a strange manner. It's pretty easy to do decently, but it's very very hard to do well as Destro.