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Cataclysm Currency Changes Formula
Originally Posted by Vaneras (Blue Tracker)
Here's some information on how each of the currencies will be converted in the next content patch. Keep in mind these values may change, and they can get a bit math heavy. Just know that our intent is to appropriately value each mark and provide a conversion we feel is fair.

The following items are immediately converted to gold:


  • Emblem of Heroism = 5.5 gold each
  • Emblem of Valor = 5.5 gold each
  • Emblem of Conquest = 5.5 gold each
  • Badge of Justice = 1.833 gold each

Your New Honor Points total will be the sum of the following amounts:


  • Old Honor * 0.024
  • Old Arena Points * 0.85
  • Battleground Mark of Honor * 2.976
  • Wintergrasp Mark of Honor * 19.08
  • Stone Keeper Shard * 1.6
  • Venture Coin * 3
  • Spirit Shard * 1

Your Justice Points total will be equal to (Emblems of Triumph + Emblems of Frost ) * 2.75

Again, the softcap for both Honor and Justice conversions is 4000 points. This means that if a character converts to above 4,000 points, it will not be possible for them to earn more until they fall below the 4,000 cap.

A hardcap will be implemented in a following patch before Cataclysm's release. At that time, any excess points above 4,000 will be converted as follows:


  • Honor points above 4,000 are converted to gold at a rate of 35 silver per point of Honor.
  • Justice points above 4,000 are converted to gold at a rate of 2 gold per point of Justice.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Cataclysm Currency Changes Formula started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 239 Comments
  1. Thalium1's Avatar
    yep im rich lol
  1. Laurabelle's Avatar
    1 MORE QUESTION:

    If you did not care about JP and only wanted GOLD, wouldn't it be WAY smarter a move to downgrade all your TRIUMPH down to HEROISM, because you'd get 5.5g gold a piece for those rather than 4g a piece after the second round (for excess of 4K JP) (sell primordials with all frost while you can).
  1. john18761's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by CarnatiaSpiritfield View Post
    I just spent the whole morning downloading that thing, and then it finished, I started up wow the the background downloader popped up again....
    as stated many times by many players the beta build that players are using right now is not the same build the blizzard devs have
  1. mordras's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurabelle View Post
    SO, WHICH IS RIGHT?

    I DO NO WANT TO BE JIPPED OUT OF A JP POINT!
    No one knows for sure except Blizzard as the current version of the PTR did a 1 to 1 conversion.

    In the end who cares which is right? 1 point either way isn't going to make a hell of a lot of difference given the prices on the PTR. The calculator provided by this site is a nice tool to do some quick calculations of what you'll end up with. If it is slightly off not a big deal. If Blizzard's formula is what MMO Champion has in their calculator (and not what they stated) are you going to complain that you ended up with 1 or 2 less Justice Points than you were expecting? I think the best case scenario would be that they would say they were sorry for giving false information. I just can't see them going back after the fact to adjust a few points.

    In any case Blizzard stated that the formulas they gave were all subject to change. So in the end the amount of Justice Points you end up getting could be much different than the 1 point you seem to be concerned about.
  1. hellar's Avatar
    is it even worth waiting 2 days for this fricking downloader? or will there be a time that i can download it faster? live when it goes live
  1. Alayea's Avatar
    I would say it's worth it as you would get a head-start on the inevitable patch. Best thing to do is leave your computer on overnight so it can spend that time downloading. Alternatively, you could let it finish while finding other activities to do.
  1. shadowboy's Avatar
    The badges of justice to gold conversion has me wondering, Will you just be able to buy badge of justice gear with gold now, or will that stuff still cost justice points and level 70 heroics/raids drop justice points instead. I'm wondering because I have a level 70 twink that I am planning on staying that way when cata ships. If the badge of justice gear can be purchased with gold it trivializes level 70 gearing. If you need justice points, then my existing badges of justice will become gold and I have to start over farming level 70 heroics/raids for justice points.
  1. Tntdruid's Avatar
    no patch on background downloader in EU yet
  1. ItachiZaku's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Narshe View Post
    Likely that Valor points will drop in both heroics and the first teir of raiding, just like Wotlk with Heroism emblems. Justice points might be able to buy blue sets or items, or even certain profession mats, but dont expect to buy epics of any kind with Justice points. Unless its an absurd amount that you need for one item. But since theyre letting us farm points here soon, I dont find it likely.
    Exactly. The best you can hope for would be having enough points for half an epic, if that. A little shocked triumph and frost are worth the same, means cash in them primosars now.
  1. Neitiry30's Avatar
    after a day of downloading,patch is finally installed.I dont see nothing tho.Is it cause its not live yet? if anyone that downloaded it can answer me.ty
  1. TrapTime's Avatar
    Going for 10k badges.
  1. TrapTime's Avatar
    going to farm it, 2500 so far, 7500 more to go :3 so i can easily get rich and blow it all on professions engineering and leatherworking.
  1. Karnadas's Avatar
    This needs to be updated, on my paladin, with roughly 205 Emblems of frost and 67 Emblems of Triumph,
    (I got a couple more since copying over to the PTR)I was able to get 3138 Justice Points
  1. davesurfer's Avatar
    Yeah I think it is a bug. My Pally had like 250 Frost and 250 Truimph and I got 6000 points
  1. deathfish's Avatar
    Just a bit of information the current conversion rate on the PTR is correct the new value is 1 frost or triumph is 11.75 not 2.75 as it was realized that the cost of the current items had increased buy about 11.5 times as much as it is on the live with the 2.75 rate.
  1. Dimebagz's Avatar
    I have read through most of the pages worth of comments here and I really do not understand, All I'm seeing is people saying ya it not worth farming triumph/frost badges to save up for Justice points, Because T10 Helm Cost 1100 Justice points which equal like 400 Frost/Triumph/80-90 Dungeons and that a rip off and some are actually arguing the subject that it is worth it. Let me tell you this YES FARMING Triumph Badges now until Cataclysm comes out is Worth it. But Not to saved up to only Buy T10 which will easily get replace about 1-3 Quest into the New Expansion.

    So I'm tell you what I going to do Listen carefully, I going to Farm by ass off by healing heroics until Cataclysm comes out and if there's an Cap for badges I going to Downgrade them to the lower rank badges which is hero, then farm my ass off Again cap the badges to the next level rank of badges which is valor then after do the same for conquest and leave those badges there until Cataclysm. Thank you Blizzard for giving me the opportunity to make easy gold Now Give me my Gold is all I going to say with a big Koolaid smile, Because at the end of the day this whole New Justice system is really about Money=Gold because if it reward the gear you can buy now in WotLK it's consider useless, might as well grind your T10 Gear now. Forget Saving up for T10 you should already have most T10 pieces as long as the game been out and it also get replace by the new quest rewards in the expansion, now come on don't act like this never happens. Forget PvP Gear if it's possible to buy Wrath or Relentless still with the justice Point you gonna gain, If you really Saved Frost/Triumph badges for it your choice your lost. So why y'all figuring out the best Strategy to master the Justice Points system I'm gonna be farming heroics trying to cap every rank of badges from Hero-Conquest to earn that Big Doctor's Pay Check when Cataclysm hit.

    Take MY Advice or Leave it I call it Hustling!!!!!!
  1. santaranger's Avatar
    PTR CONVERSION RATE IS ABOUT 11.5 JP PER BADGE NOW

    Prices on Frost Badge items end up being 1:1 with live so it doesn't matter if you spend your frost badges now or later (some items have different prices, though, like epic gems will cost ~18 badges instead of 15).
    since triumph badges use the same conversion ratio, they will be heavily upgraded in the process, which means spending them now would be foolish.
    Items from Vendors other than the Emblem of Frost Quartermaster are heavily overpriced since they follow the same pricing scheme as the Frost Items (iLvl 232 items cost about the same as iLvL 264)

    downgrading bagdes in order to have them converted to gold sounds fairly stupid to me, as it means ~25g per heroic run while one can easily make 150g/hour through dailies, not to mention other money-making activities.
  1. goldengamer08's Avatar
    Can we have the calculator updated for us please?
  1. Dimebagz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by santaranger View Post
    PTR CONVERSION RATE IS ABOUT 11.5 JP PER BADGE NOW

    Prices on Frost Badge items end up being 1:1 with live so it doesn't matter if you spend your frost badges now or later (some items have different prices, though, like epic gems will cost ~18 badges instead of 15).
    since triumph badges use the same conversion ratio, they will be heavily upgraded in the process, which means spending them now would be foolish.
    Items from Vendors other than the Emblem of Frost Quartermaster are heavily overpriced since they follow the same pricing scheme as the Frost Items (iLvl 232 items cost about the same as iLvL 264)

    downgrading badges in order to have them converted to gold sounds fairly stupid to me, as it means ~25g per heroic run while one can easily make 150g/hour through dailies, not to mention other money-making activities.
    Might sound fairly Stupid but from my point of view I rather saved the badges and downgrade them and wait for Cata for it to get converted to gold, because saving them for justice points just to buy frost badge Gear/T10 sound fairly stupid to me too. Now if there's an change and blizzard decides to mention there will be other gear beside the frost/t10 gear you can buy like iLvL 333 Cata gear from justice points then saving the badges for gold might be push over to the fairly foolish part but until blizzard mention that my goal is to get cap with badges in every rank from Hero-Conquest for Gold.

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