MMO-Champion - Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts
Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) already working on Firelands Heroic - Shannox World First Kill
A lot of guilds killed all the bosses of the Firelands raid in normal mode already but it seems that Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) decided to take it one step further.

After clearing the encounters in normal mode, the entire raid changed faction to reset their raid ID and started working on heroic encounters shortly after, that kind of thing happened in the past and it's not really surprising to see it used again to grab first kills.

As I write these lines, Stars killed Shannox in Heroic Mode. It's not really my place to judge if something is against the rules or not and I will just keep tracking heroic first kills as they happen.



Blue Posts
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Eternal Embers and Seething Cinders Droprates
You’re assuming the drop chances for embers averages out to .5 per boss in 10’s and 2 per boss in 25’s, which it doesn’t. Whether you’re in 10’s or 25’s you’re going to see an equal drop average for Eternal Embers per player, and the same can be said for Seething Cinders. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

New Content - Differences between PvE and PvP Players
The answer to your question revolves around a common difference in how PvE players and PvP players approach the game. Generally speaking, PvE players want more quests, more dungeons and more raids to experience -- more and new content is king. On the other hand, while some PvP players do want new maps, many others would be happier if we perfected the Arena or BG maps that already exist - or even if we cut existing maps. After all, PvP players don’t graduate out of Arathi Basin or Dalaran sewers the same way PvE players graduate from dungeon to heroic, or raid tier to raid tier. We did make some improvements to the existing PvP maps, such as trying to return Ring of Valor to circulation and changing the way flags work in Eye of the Storm (for rated play).

We’d love to add a lot more maps than we currently do, but we need to do it in such a way that doesn’t make the PvP experience worse for players who are more interested in refining their PvP experience than in seeing new maps. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.2 Hairstyles
We had a bunch of hairstyles we threw in for testing on the PTR and the majority of them did not pass the test. (quality, art direction, bugs, etc.) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.0 Raids now puggable
We specifically intend for the 4.0 raids to be puggable now that Firelands is out. Grabbing some tier 11 by way of Justice, quest rewards, plus across the board difficulty nerfs should really be enough to get them going.

The patch has only been out a day or so though. I think it'll probably take a little bit before people really get it into their heads that they should be pugging the previous tier because it's not too hard to be successful. It's just getting people used to the various encounters and mechanics.

Maybe people are waiting for the holiday weekend? If nothing else, leading one yourself is always an option. I think we'd agree that we need some better ways to get pug raids together considering we intend to follow the "New Raid is Hard, old Tier is Puggable" format from here on.

Still unsure what that means regarding the final raid (i.e. Deathwing). Do pugs not get to see him until the next expansion is released? (Not saying whether that's a good thing or not, but personally I enjoyed getting to Arthas on some of my alts without spending near as much time as I did on my main.)
In ICC we had a stacking raid buff over time which gradually made the content easier. Not saying we’ll do that exact thing again but the philosophy was around even then that everyone who wants to can eventually see the content, but it’s going to take very organized groups (which typically means raiding guilds) to see the encounters first.

So casuals will constantly be a tier behind for the rest of the life of this game? If that is what is actually coming out of your mouth I'll save myself the time and unsub now. What a piss poor vision for your game. There are normal and heroic versions of raids for a reason. That heroic difficulty was implemented so that the two segments of the population (casual and hardcore) would both have something to do. You are now bifurcating the raiding population AGAIN, by telling casuals that they have to run around in the left overs.
Trying to label all of our players as “casual puggers” vs.” hardcore raiders” is ridiculously simplistic. Among raiders there is an enormous diversity of players. There are those who will raid virtually every night when new content is out, to guilds that raid once a week (and even then will cancel raid nights fairly commonly). If you must try to label raiders, you’d be closer to the Blizzard model if you said normal mode is for organized raids, heroic mode is for more hardcore organized raids, and the previous tier of content (and Baradin Hold) is targeted for pick-up groups. Also consider that even within a raid zone we try to design easier bosses (usually near the front) and more challenging ones (usually at the end) which can help blur those lines and offer smoother transitions for each category.

Overall, we think you’ll have a better experience playing World of Warcraft if you play with friends, either existing or those you meet in game. WoW, while much more solo friendly than most older MMO games, is still intended as a multiplayer game. We provide features like Dungeon Finder for when playing with friends isn’t possible, and as we said above, we’d like to offer more features like that. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Tabards Tab
Are there any considerations for a tab for your tabards?
Yes!

[...] To clarify: he asked if we were considering it, and yes we are considering it. :) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Keyring Removal
On a serious point though some people are upset about the removal of the key ring. While that seems like we're just taking it out to be bullies, it specifically frees up storage space we can then make into useful features. Not that it will specifically be used for 'tabard storage', but we are going to be using the space the removal of the key ring freed up. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Thrall and Aggra's "wedding"
Correct. Their pledging of their lives to one another was essentially their 'wedding', although I'm sure Orcs don't use such nomenclature to refer to these things. Maybe 'life bond' fits better. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Does Blizzard plan on adding the rest of the dungeons and raids to the Dungeon Journal?
Absolutely. With the time it takes to present a single boss in the Dungeon Journal we were only confident supplying Cataclysm content with the release of the feature in 4.2, but we are on a path to filling it out with all dungeons and raids in the entire game. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Steam Summer Sales
In a very, very, very unrelated sidenote, Steam Summer Sales are up. I don't usually news non-WoW stuff but ... well, I like Valve and I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be happy to hear the news. Also, don't forget that we have a Video Games Forum!
This article was originally published in forum thread: Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. Stuffedtreats's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by dascylus View Post
    It falls under "obtaining a competitive advantage over other players" in the EULA. Or in other words, exploiting, which can oftentimes result in permanent account suspension based on the severity of the exploit taking place. The fact that these actions were premeditated won't help their case with Blizzard's customer support staff. You can say you were testing the encounters as much as you want, but the straight facts is you did something with the full intent on gaining a competitive advantage over other players and maximum punishment should be expected.
    Except that what STARS did has nothing to do with this at all. The competition you are talking about is a world-wide competition that takes place with every major raid content patch. Guilds going for world first kills, this is absolutley 100% not-related to the actual game. If anything the only unfair advantage this offered STARS over paragon/vodka/or any of the others is that they thought of it first. It's been known for a long time that if you server transferred your dailies and raid lockouts were pretty much reset. If Blizzard reacts to punish STARS, that would be the messed up thing as it's a game mechanic that Blizzard could have made a fix to for years now. Don't confuse your own competition with other players outside of the game to be something that takes place in the game.

    I also highly doubt this action doing anything to the millions of WoW subscribers. As those that are in these competitive guilds represent the smallest minority of the WoW community, so the majority of subscribers most likely won't even know that this happened and continue to pay and play the game.
  1. Slapp's Avatar
    Heres why I believe this tactic is principally the same as cheating.

    The whole raid lockout system is there for a reason. Implied in that system is a rule that says any character can only kill the same boss once each lockout. If this wasnt implied they could simply remove the lockout alltogether (or, knowing Blizzard, add a 5 dollar fee to have it wiped). This also applies to both heroic and normal modes since they share lockout. Now, Im not sure abou the details of the ID reset, and I dont know if you can get infinite resets or simply one for each faction, but the rule still applies. Exploiting this system essentially means as long as you have the money for it you can have AT LEAST twice as many kills each week as people who do not do it, people who follow this obviously implied rule saying you can only kill a boss once each week. Blizzard should definately remove the loot and achievements.

    And to the people saying this is simply a sign of a higher level of dedication. Thats just nonsense. The only reason every other top guild on the planet avoided doing this isnt because they're not dedicated enough, but have the insight to realise this is shady and most likely comes with a form of sanction. Rule of thumb: if you have to ask, you probably shouldnt do it.
  1. cristinin45's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Paraclef View Post
    It means that the Hardmodes are available and it means that the Firelands are just a joke like ToC

    Seven easy boss.....and do you really think that Ragnaros HM > Lich King HM. I don't think so.
    I literally just logged into this old account I made to say I lol'd hard at this.

    On the note of Stars, I think it was cheap what they did. Should not count, imo. They sort of were the only people working on heroic modes, a bit dishonorable if I do say so myself.
  1. Tareku's Avatar
    niceeee (Y)
  1. Shanto94's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimize View Post
    Well it does seeing wowprogress dont make the official rankings lol.

    EDIT: i also love how people are like 'omg they exploited the game' when im pretty sure alot of the player base are currently abusing the broken daily reset to get into the quest hub faster...
    Hey, time to inform you of some shit, cuz you seem to stupid to understand this.
    That the dailies change at 3 o'clock, but they reset at 4 o'clock is NOT a bug. (A Glitch is a bug that you are able to do purposely, it dont even need to give you an advantage). They overlooked this, and thats what happend, while not intended, its clever use of game mechanics.
    When you do something like this, faction change to open your raid ID (This is definetly not intended to be like this, its a bug) and use it, you have glitched. When you have glitched, you have broken the rule and should be punished after this, I think removing their world first kill (achi, statistics, loot) and keep them banned unthil thursday next week so they will lose one day in the HM raid is a fitting punishment.
  1. Nicc's Avatar
    Stars really outdone themselves here, After their endless QQ paragraph following their yogg0 kill, They then pull a stunt like this, Ultimate hyprocrisy, Lets hope Premo/Vodka/Ensidia/Paragon destroy them flat out now. Good to see wowprogress have already disqualified them also
  1. adamzz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Paraclef View Post
    It means that the Hardmodes are available and it means that the Firelands are just a joke like ToC

    Seven easy boss.....and do you really think that Ragnaros HM > Lich King HM. I don't think so.
    Have you tried Ragnaros normal? Ragnaros HM will > any other HM boss.
  1. Sneek's Avatar
    stars raised the bar of the term "HC raiding" guys, nothing you can do about it :P At first you only had to be a good player for a WF. Than you needed to play ALOT to get WFs. Than you had to have fully geared alts to get WFs. Than you had to stack classes to get WFs. Now you need to cheese your way in changing faction to get WF. Its EVOLUTION haha. In all seriousness, WF hasnt been a fair game in some time. Less and less people even care about WF. I just wander what the next cheese mechanic will to get a WF will be. STAY TUNED OMG
  1. Crummy's Avatar
    Doesn't count. The first guild who gets a kill NEXT reset, will count as world first. This is just pathethic in my book. The fact that you tell your guild to faction change, cause otherwise you won't have a shot at world first...... = LOOSERS.
  1. Sneek's Avatar
    double post
  1. Keosen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sneek View Post
    stars raised the bar of the term "HC raiding" guys, nothing you can do about it :P At first you only had to be a good player for a WF. Than you needed to play ALOT to get WFs. Than you had to have fully geared alts to get WFs. Than you had to stack classes to get WFs. Now you need to cheese your way in changing faction to get WF. Its EVOLUTION haha. In all seriousness, WF hasnt been a fair game in some time. Less and less people even care about WF. I just wander what the next cheese mechanic will to get a WF will be. STAY TUNED OMG
    So basically if blizzard doesn't change anything Stars and generally TW guilds can use this to claim feature WFs for every boss and EU/US guilds cannot, seems cool and fair yeah.
  1. Sneek's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Keosen View Post
    So basically if blizzard doesn't change anything Stars and generally TW guilds can use this to claim feature WFs for every boss and EU/US guilds cannot, seems cool and fair yeah.
    Basically yes mate.
    But if you think about it, TW guild never had it "cool and fair" since EU/US always got the content before them. And the guilds who killed Nef after paragon didnt had it fair either. As i said, WF race isnt fair for a long time now. WF imo is just another way for people to talk about WoW, nothing more nothing less. There were SO MANY cheesed boss kills in the past, dont know why people got so angry now. Maybe its really because now the bar has been raised so much that you need to spend money to get a WF. Which is total bullshit.
  1. Prozac's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Keosen View Post
    So basically if blizzard doesn't change anything Stars and generally TW guilds can use this to claim feature WFs for every boss and EU/US guilds cannot, seems cool and fair yeah.
    I dont get what Faction changing has to do with "TW guilds and EU/US not"?
  1. Mihir's Avatar
    They hotfixed faction changing to keep raid id in EU/US, but apparently forgot to hotfix it in TW. So only STARS can make use of this.
  1. afhald's Avatar
    i think they used a fair tactic, whatever you think they can't be bannable from the game because the current mechanincs allow everyone to do this.
  1. Sneek's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mihir View Post
    They hotfixed faction changing to keep raid id in EU/US, but apparently forgot to hotfix it in TW. So only STARS can make use of this.
    lol lucky bastards I guess they will really take most of the WFs now hehe
  1. eternalwhitemoon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by tikzib View Post
    apparently stars had an agreement with blizzard that they could use this feature to get a look at the first heroic bosses due to the fact that they didn't have the chance to test them on the PTR. for those of you who speak or understand german, "wow.gamona.de" is the source.

    /Edit: forgot to mention: they don't get any loot or achievements.. it was just for testing the new bosses. they also stated that on their homepage, which is currently offline due to the huge rush on their website..
    If you look at the screenshot on the front page...kind of looks like an achievement to me. :/ I call BS.

    There's no way Blizzard would allow them to use that to their advantage on purpose. No way.

    By the way, the German website explicitly says that their source is Stars' website, so really there's only one source and I don't count it in any way official or accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by afhald View Post
    i think they used a fair tactic, whatever you think they can't be bannable from the game because the current mechanincs allow everyone to do this.
    a) Only Taiwan can do this, it doesn't work for NA/EU, and

    b) Just because anyone could technically do it doesn't mean anything. Don't you remember the saronite bombs on LK? Technically, anyone could have done that.
  1. superbotje's Avatar
    I remember in WOTLK. I'm not in a worldfirst guild whatsoever, so that wasn't the idea of realmchange. We raided on wednesday, and after the raid we changed realm. The next day we couldn't get a raid together, because all the players that were in the raid on wednesday had been given a different raidID. Ofcourse that kinda sucked because we just wanted to raid. But why does a factionchange NOT give a random ID?
  1. Sharlok's Avatar
    I dont think it should count as an official WF.

    plus, if you have no competition in doing World Firsts then its really nothing you can brag about. the real world firsts will start next week and thats that.
  1. leelamon's Avatar
    Soooo...is this an Alliance or Horde World first now? xD

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