Tier 11 Valor Point Hotfix

Now if blizz said "T11 raid bosses now drop VP which don't count towards your weekly cap", Then I could understand the moaning. But they didn't. Its still 980 per week.

If people want to do ZA/ZG once a day, all 7 in one day, or kill 28 Tier 11 raid bosses, its up to them.

This is a welcome change. I'd rather go through BOT and BWD and get Valor Pts. on my alts than clear BOT and BWD PLUS do random dungeons all week long to cap out my Valor Pts. No doubt I'll still have to do random dungeons, but it won't be as many and in BOT and BWD, I'll get gear I can actually use.

I like this change. We are always recruiting and we run the old raids anyways to gear up some of our recruits and get some shards. Now instead o having to run ZA ZG and heroics and Firelands to max out my valor I can also relax on friday and run recruits trhu old raids. I like it.

A good change overall, i feared the would have left the original VP earned from bosses, but since it's only the half, it's not a really good option for VP farm, it's viable.

Now I like the change because right now, my guild raid group is trying to swap in and out some members, to find out the best possible group. So right now, we are back in BoT/BWD/TotFW 1 night a week, we clear everything to get the last people get their last pieces and have an idea at other's overall performance. Now that it gives something to the ones like me that don't feel like t11 is of any use, but still has to go do them for the good of the group. I find it a good change.

There's a raid called Firelands to get VP's from. If players arn't willing to do the current tier to earn current gear, then they don't deserve it.

Originally Posted by kosechi

so are they gonna refund valor to all of us who ran bwd/bot on our undergeared alts this week?

I would say no since the change goes into effect with the patch which resets your bwd/bot timers. So EVERYONE starts fresh on the same page after maintenance.

Originally Posted by fierceangel

There's a raid called Firelands to get VP's from. If players arn't willing to do the current tier to earn current gear, then they don't deserve it.

There are people who only manage a view bosses yet. While I am myselves at 6/7, the second group in our guild is much worse (actually 1/7, with another 2 probably soon falling, but not much more than 3/7 probably happening ANYTIME soon). If they have no decent possibility to fill up their VP they fall further behind. And actually I cannot raid every week (too many people of my class, need to alternate), so I also need to have some VP-options which are not driving one crazy for the week where it is not my turn. This new change is very good!

Originally Posted by beingmused

Kind of lame, but whatever. My status as a lower-upper-middle class player (Simpsons reference!) is not threatened if non-raiders are capping Valor slightly more easily than they would otherwise.

Do people like you really feel threatened because someone else is able to down content easier? Are people REALLy judging their own self worth on other peoples accomplishments?

Originally Posted by Simca

Depends. A guild run of BWD would definitely be equal VP/hour compared to trolls.

Agreed, even on an alt run last night we did T4W and BoT in about an hour. It will be nice having to do less Troll heroics.

this seems like they're catering to casuals yet again.

Originally Posted by jacob1212c

I dont know why people say this is a bad idea. i personaly cant stand troll heroics. They are annoying, VARY GRINDY, and overall id rather get no VP then do a troll heroic. and the guild im in just formed and so far we are working on t11 and heroic t11 befor we go to firelands. I think its awesome that ill make a little valor on the side instead of more useless JP that i just buy trade goods with. And if a guild can not down 1 or 2 bosses in firelands they can do the old raids to help finish off the weekly cap.

12 bosses = 360VP (10), 540 (25). Granted that ZA/ZG is annoying, however doing ZA/ZG is much more efficient because it does not have to be scheduled. You have to run a total of 7 times per week at any given time.

So maybe the issue here is that some people are just trying to grind it out in one day and are getting burned out by it. But there are still better choices because you can do the other heroics (DM & SFK is the worst) since you can fly through the so easily.

I don't agree or disagree with this change. Its just a change. No big deal IMO.

less VP... but better gear drops... sounds good if you still have some slots to gear up.

Alt's /cheer

My raid group has just started working into Firelands. From what I've seen, nothing so far is really a 'gear check' of any kind. Possibly because we haven't made it very far. But this change is good none the less, as I get a little more valor than I would normally, and I get to see all of the "NONONOMINEMINEMINE" kiddies absolutely implode over people like me getting a piece of gear once every two weeks that is as good as something they pick up 2-3 times a week. It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside when they have a meltdown over gear.

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Originally Posted by brosephbro

this seems like they're catering to casuals yet again.

They're 'catering' to the majority of their customers. This is what is known as 'good business' and is usually done by any business that wants to continue to exist.

Originally Posted by Torticoli

So, in other words, instead of finally realizing that giving away Valor Points for running Heroic 5-mans was terrible design, and changing that, they decided to extend that model to previous raids. I don't even have the words to express how retarded and incompetent this company has become at game design.

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Players who don't have any time to raid don't have any time to raid and shouldn't be playing a game that's all about raiding. Don't dumb my game down, and everyone else's, in order to please them.

"I want to play WoW, but I don't have the time to raid and gear myself properly. Please change the very structure of risk/reward in this game so that I can play it the way I want, regardless of the fact that it will impact everyone else in a negative way !". For God's sake...

How does this impact everyone else in a negative way?

Originally Posted by Bootyclap

Awesome change, running 5 alts through ZA/ZG every week for cap is painful to say the least.

^ holy crap!

i have two toons that i play consistently and a drood just for herbing (lvl81 or somesh..) and i can barely stand to cap vps on one.

Raiding is much more fun for me as i have twice as many people to chastise, rididule, make fun of..etc.

and if this change means even one less troll, then im all for it...and no reg heroics arent that fun when u keep pulling off the douchy single target tank in half greens

Besides, i could still use bracers, helm, maybe some more tanking gear :P

Originally Posted by F-Minus

And all guilds are doing a full clear of Firelands, right? And all guilds are clearing it on 25, right again?

If you don't, then this change is very nice since you can get your valors from another source.
If you do this change won't affect you.

Either way doesn't force a guild to do both if they are farming firelands.
That's why i quoted the post because the poster implied that now he will be forced to do both raids.

Learn to read before quote something and embarrass yourself by saying a random silly thing.

Originally Posted by deven04

How does this impact everyone else in a negative way?

If I'm reading the person you quoted correctly, I believe he's referring to the rapid e-peen deflation he'll suffer. That, combined with him falling for the "majority" fallacy (an individual believing that their opinions are shared by the majority of people) leads to the statement you quoted.

Originally Posted by Azrile

Not a bad change. I would rather do tier 11 on alts with friends than do troll pugs.

This

They are much more enjoyable and also give better loot then the troll heroics as well. Also, for those who have had bad luck on rolls/drops for there helm/shoulder tokens.

Not sure how anyone could complain about this decision, said person must be either a raging Blizzard-hater or a troll.

Very nice change. Now there is a point to clearing t11 save the fact that we have nothing better to do. Heroics get dull very quickly.