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Originally Posted by baldoora

Well, when your answer to someones argument is a thinly veiled "insult" it gives quite bad impression doesn't it?



And here we go with a classic example of trying to mislead the "outsider who arrives to the scene" as it is commonly known to those who understand the basics of debating. Basically what it does is turn a claim of subject A into B instead and attempts to make it look like if the one providing the claim is making unbased accusations. What my claim was that rather than making a proper counter-argumentation you resorted into simply trying to antagonize the fellow that made the original claim and skip over his arguments and had nothign to do with how long you have been playing

Ok. Maybe I insult a little or how ever much you believe but I apologize for that. I had a theory, made it years ago but never really cared for it. Mostly about people QQing about LK and Cata content. People that started to play WoW when LK didn't know much about Vanilla and BC and most of the ones I've met viewed Vanilla and BC as total shit and always bashed on those two and make WoTLK look all perfect. Not everyone is like that though, can only go based on someone's actions. He proved that theory wrong because he has been playing WoW longer than I have. If anyone haven't notice, I haven't said anything positive or negative about Vanilla. Most people view BC as boring and shitty while I look at it as "I had so many stuff to do when that expansion was out..."

I wasn't saying something random. I guess people probably got thrown off by it. He could just tell me that BC was shit compared to Vanilla WoW and I wouldn't say anything back about it because I never played Vanilla WoW. He said I didn't do anything meaningful in Wrath and I asked what is meaningful? Raiding? Randoms? Dailies? I don't know if he was trying to or not but I felt antagonized when he commented about me doing something meaningful.

Originally Posted by Delta279

Ok. Maybe I insult a little or how ever much you believe but I apologize for that. I had a theory, made it years ago but never really cared for it. Mostly about people QQing about LK and Cata content. People that started to play WoW when LK didn't know much about Vanilla and BC and most of the ones I've met viewed Vanilla and BC as total shit and always bashed on those two and make WoTLK look all perfect. Not everyone is like that though, can only go based on someone's actions. He proved that theory wrong because he has been playing WoW longer than I have. If anyone haven't notice, I haven't said anything positive or negative about Vanilla. Most people view BC as boring and shitty while I look at it as "I had so many stuff to do when that expansion was out..."

I wasn't saying something random. I guess people probably got thrown off by it. He could just tell me that BC was shit compared to Vanilla WoW and I wouldn't say anything back about it because I never played Vanilla WoW. He said I didn't do anything meaningful in Wrath and I asked what is meaningful? Raiding? Randoms? Dailies? I don't know if he was trying to or not but I felt antagonized when he commented about me doing something meaningful.

The "meaningful" was about you claiming Wrath raids were easy, as in don't say it is easy if you didn't do ulduar + hm and later. I loved Vanilla, I loved BC, and there are a lot of good things about Cata as well.

Originally Posted by Riavan

lol@them thinking people quit because content was too accessable to others. It's like the exact opposite to what is likely true. People have left because the game is the same and even the kind of people who play call of duty don't clock up as many hours as people do in wow.

I think the opposite is true, the content being too INACCESSABLE.

So, here is what irks me with the Deathwing fight...

They're starting it in Northrend. Northrend which is in a time-bubble and has not had its story updated and they want to start it there? That feels like kind of a slap in the face; here we have a zone that they put in a time bubble but hey, they'll burst an instanced version of it even though no one knows what might have been happening there for the last year...

Nothing else in this patch interview really bothers me but this...

Originally Posted by huldu

People quit because raids were too easy... rofl?

Not the RAIDS - the GAME too easy. People, seriosly, go to WoWProgress and take a look at guilds who downed atleast one heroic FL boss. There are about 220k players who takes care about heroic raids - thats 2% from 11 milion player base. And if you just want to play the game - NOT to do raids or Arena - you literally have nothing to do right now. I played from BC start and that bullshit started in Wotlk - scraping out from game everything that makes it a game. Now we have only one way - rocketing in 2 weeks from 1-85, then 1 month dailies/5mans/professions, then raids, arenas or... em... nothing! Thats why i quit, i played pvp alot in BC, raided alot in Wotlk, im tired from both, and i have nothing to do in Cata. I have leveled my hunter, druid, dk and mage to 85, cleared first raids, get bored as hell and quit. And i checked my guild in Armory - only 2 people from ~40 earlier active members are playing now.

P.S. And sorry for my english, not my first language. Im just tired from people who using hc Ragnaros as argument that the game are not easy. 98% players do not care about hc raids. And game is something more than 7 bosses and 7 arenas. Atleast been 3 years ago.

Originally Posted by Montas

Anyone else have feeling that we will fight ONLY Deathwing in this Raid?

Deathwing is freaking massive.
We could have the twilight father on his back
And the twilight prophet.
Chromatus could make a return.

Originally Posted by huldu

You can't just pick up 10 random people and head off to a raid and expect to defeat it in WoW. It just doesn't work. It's a flaw in the game. I got the impression content was to be played by everyone not just the "elite".

You will never be able to achieve this, unless you present a non interactive movie. Even if you create content that only requires people to "press space to continue", with that written in blinking letters on their screen, some will fail. You have to make a cut somewhere.

Originally Posted by Platipuss

Not the RAIDS - the GAME too easy. People, seriosly, go to WoWProgress and take a look at guilds who downed atleast one heroic FL boss. There are about 220k players who takes care about heroic raids - thats 2% from 11 milion player base. And if you just want to play the game - NOT to do raids or Arena - you literally have nothing to do right now. I played from BC start and that bullshit started in Wotlk - scraping out from game everything that makes it a game. Now we have only one way - rocketing in 2 weeks from 1-85, then 1 month dailies/5mans/professions, then raids, arenas or... em... nothing! Thats why i quit, i played pvp alot in BC, raided alot in Wotlk, im tired from both, and i have nothing to do in Cata. I have leveled my hunter, druid, dk and mage to 85, cleared first raids, get bored as hell and quit. And i checked my guild in Armory - only 2 people from ~40 earlier active members are playing now.

P.S. And sorry for my english, not my first language. Im just tired from people who using hc Ragnaros as argument that the game are not easy. 98% players do not care about hc raids. And game is something more than 7 bosses and 7 arenas. Atleast been 3 years ago.

That's factually true. I mean, various "value of life" changes ended up (combined) dumbing down the game, removing various layers that, while being literarly, a time sink, or something clumbersome, were part of the game. Just like larva injections in the zerg macro. It's not fun, it's not interesting, but it's part of the game. With autocast the entire game would feel plain. They HAVE to come up with something else to fill that slot, since they are not getting that stuff back on (that would harm people with non that much time..)

Originally Posted by Baikalsan

The "meaningful" was about you claiming Wrath raids were easy, as in don't say it is easy if you didn't do ulduar + hm and later. I loved Vanilla, I loved BC, and there are a lot of good things about Cata as well.

Naxx was kinda the first impression I got of LK raids. I heard Uldaur was great but heard nothing but negative about the rest. I still remember doing the dungeons for the first time when LK came out. I thought it was easy if I didn't really have to use CC on any of the mobs. Never really marked the mobs unless someone in the group wanted me to. I never said anything about HM.

There is a lot of good things from Cata but kinda getting the lazy feeling from Blizzard about how soon people can kill Deathwing now. Even if it is a 80-85 expansion, would be nice to have it wait instead of rushing it. I'm thinking that patch is going to be pushed till November.

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Originally Posted by Faerillis

So, here is what irks me with the Deathwing fight...

They're starting it in Northrend. Northrend which is in a time-bubble and has not had its story updated and they want to start it there? That feels like kind of a slap in the face; here we have a zone that they put in a time bubble but hey, they'll burst an instanced version of it even though no one knows what might have been happening there for the last year...

Nothing else in this patch interview really bothers me but this...

You forgot about BC content. Complete bubble over it.

The whole raid = elite thing is just a myth come on(if you say that you never experienced vanilla, or heard the stories about Everquest), everyone can raid if they have a pair of nights to spare. Or even afternoons. You just need to play with the right people, with your friends. Only this way you will really enjoy the content. And it will last longer too.

Q F TI still have as much fun now as I had in BC while raiding. Firelands is great.

Each stage of the fight will take place in a different location and offer some loot.

I wonder if this means zones or parts of deathwing? I look forward to DPSing his flaming butthole. "Air" is considered nature damage, right?

They realize some people quit because they made the content more accessible to everyone and it no longer felt elite.

If they think that's the reason they lost 1M of players in Cata, now I'm sure they are totally out of touch with reality.

Originally Posted by Faerillis

So, here is what irks me with the Deathwing fight...

They're starting it in Northrend. Northrend which is in a time-bubble and has not had its story updated and they want to start it there? That feels like kind of a slap in the face; here we have a zone that they put in a time bubble but hey, they'll burst an instanced version of it even though no one knows what might have been happening there for the last year...

Nothing else in this patch interview really bothers me but this...

Didn't they just do this with the new legendary staff and Nexus?

Originally Posted by Delta279

Naxx was kinda the first impression I got of LK raids. I heard Uldaur was great but heard nothing but negative about the rest. I still remember doing the dungeons for the first time when LK came out. I thought it was easy if I didn't really have to use CC on any of the mobs. Never really marked the mobs unless someone in the group wanted me to. I never said anything about HM.

There is a lot of good things from Cata but kinda getting the lazy feeling from Blizzard about how soon people can kill Deathwing now. Even if it is a 80-85 expansion, would be nice to have it wait instead of rushing it. I'm thinking that patch is going to be pushed till November.

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You forgot about BC content. Complete bubble over it.

I do believe Blizzard has said they wanted to update the lore and events in Outland and Northrend. Maybe they're doing so with Northrend in 4.3? I mean his entire goal is to take Ysera and Alexstrasza as his slaves, after all.

LK was so easy that still most player just left immediately when hc Oculus, hc HoL and both version (normal and hc ) of Hall of Reflection poped (before the nerfs and gear inflation)

Originally Posted by huldu

People quit because raids were too easy... rofl? I was leading one of the biggest guilds on my server and they couldn't do shit in the new cata raids. Most people leveled characters to 85 and pvp or just rerolled, some tried to switch to "raiding" guilds but eventually left them as well. Blizz wanted people to think the raids were accessible by everyone that is true.

Wow I mean what can I say "biggest guild" doesn't = best. If you cleared and farmed the heroics/reps then T11 was chalanging but not impossible, and let me put this to you if you buy a single player game and you finish it in a night or so wouldn't you feel a bit disapointed? T11 was accessible IF you had a brain and geared your self properly before it. Some guilds took 4 nights to clear t11 some did it in one and some like your selfs turned to pvp for the easy epics. Personally we had some wrath players in our guild that refused to farm gear in heroics cause it was blue or because they felt heroics we're beneath them or w/e they of course failed massively and had to be replaced because there was no room to carry someone that was even the slightest bit under geared or ungemmed or unenchanted etc. Now I ask you this who is the elitist the casuals who don't want to play in anything but epics or the members of my guild that got their blues, sorted gems and enchants and after some work went on to clearing t11 content in 2 nights max (all raids). The whole point of playing ANY game is the challanage I can't understand anyone that wants to down a boss/raid in 3 or 4 attempts first time there.

Imo TBC was hard some raids we're accesible to me at the time and some were not I didn't mind not seeing all the raids and I felt the heroics we're well tuned some we're a bit long and could have done with having some trash removed. Overall though good expansion.

Wrath content wise quests, lore, rep grinds etc all really good. Raid wise massively disapointing same with the heroics. of course everyone says it and I'm no different uld was a master piece of a raid, LK, puti and sindra pre 30% noob buff were all good encounters. The 3 new heroics they added we're good the rest was shit tbh. I mean look at totc 1 room no map no trash and a massive 4 bosses what a joke that plus the fact it was easier than uld.

Cata the new quest lines etc all really good questing seems smoother than ever before and actually fun. Rep wise there's not as much cool stuff like epic fishing pole etc but it's alright. The new heroics at launch were amazing such good fun really enjoyed the content, getting to our first raids in bwd and bot also really amazing all the encounters seemed fresh and new and it felt chalanging again. Cata opened up loads of possiblities then t12 arrived... Firelands is again great content not any better than t11 though and it's well short way to short. Even if you argue that you can move to hc mode when u've clearde it I mean common it's still the same bosses. Then we have the 2 troll hcs which again are really good but wtf blizz "daily random heroic" wtf is random about having 2 heroics to choose from I mean lawl. I've gone back to doing the older hcs because I'm board shitless with trolls. Lack of content in t12 has been a big issue tbh sure quality is fine but would it have killed blizz to add 1 to 2 more 5 mans and 3 boss raid to 4.2.

So keep going blizz give us a little more content for t13 and keep the quality where it is.

i'm... really confused/baffled as to why people are complaining about the difficulty of raids. normal modes aren't hard at all.

I think the problem is not if content is hard or easy, the reason people stop playing the game is because the game is just not fun for them anymore. The game is old and does not have the fresh feeling to it anymore. Pretty much the same reason why people do not play nes and other old games they stop being fun.

To people saying the Deathwing fight will be more rehash (no new art): You have to be complete morons.

Assuming this is for real, the encounter will work one of two ways:

- Instanced, thus the Northrend / Kalimdor / whatever artwork for the zones Deathwing flies over will need to be copied over and heavily modified for it to work
- Phased, where you do X bosses instanced then when they're dead, you can zone to Dragonblight and start the encounter in a different phase - this would be enormously straining on world servers compared to using separate instance servers, and the zones Deathwing flies over will still need to have updated art/features for the phase your raid is in.

Either way requires quite a lot of development and coding time for this single encounter, let alone the rest of the raid. And this would make it the single most epic raid encounter ever put ingame, moreso than Lich King, Illidan, KJ, Ragnaros or any other boss. As encounters go it would be absolutely amazing. I actually don't believe the game engine and instance servers would be capable of handling such an encounter as described, so I'm skeptical.

Originally Posted by citrique

Either way requires quite a lot of development and coding time for this single encounter, let alone the rest of the raid. And this would make it the single most epic raid encounter ever put ingame, moreso than Lich King, Illidan, KJ, Ragnaros or any other boss. As encounters go it would be absolutely amazing. I actually don't believe the game engine and instance servers would be capable of handling such an encounter as described, so I'm skeptical.

Since you (and sadly most people) clearly have zero understanding of how the game engine works, how scripting works, etc, I would expect a response like this.
There is nothing epic about an on-rails scripted event in between phases.