Raid Finder Coming in Patch 4.3

Looking forward to this!! I've been missing raiding now that I can't commit to a schedule, so it will be fun to get a look at the content, even if it is a lower difficulty.

Plus my alts will love it

Originally Posted by Xingu

I know and I didn't want to turn out a loot whore, I really meant from the gear up perspective: Blizzard wants us to train and gear up through LFR, and then head into normal/heroic version. So, zero loot after the first run is really a bit extreme. But, yeah, Dragon Soul is 8 bosses? How many items drop now on 25man, per boss? 5-6? So, there is a chance one could get at least something, once a week.

That is not the goal of LFR tho. It's to get the people who have no time ( I am guessing play 15 min a day now), play at weird hours or are too stupid to get anywhere in current content to be able to *see* the raids. The loot is just a little extra.

Now seeing as it is to get people who previously couldn't commit to raid in there.. how would it make sense to accomodate running it several times a week. I f they couldn't raid once before how will the people who this is aimed at be able to clear it several times?

With this stupid "once a week looting per boss" they had better tighten the rules on who gets to click Need. I can see ninja's having a time of their life in screwing everyone else over. If loot drops, the game should immediatly check who is eligible for a Need; correct armor type (plate for plate, cloth for cloth etc), correct spec (no tank gear for dps), must be an upgrade to an alrdy present item in a certain slot or bags/bank. If they can't fit this in... I foresee drama and QQ of which the likes we have never seen before and LFR will die a horrendous death.

okay, let's see. you use the LFR tool and get grouped with 24 other players. now you proceed and kill the first boss. no loot for your class / spec. angry, frustrated and with deep seated hate towards blizzard and their inability to feed your looting needs, you leave the raid, receive a deserter debuff and have an "id" with let's say 1/8 dragon soul.another time, another player. he picks up a random run on the same raid instance, the raid is solely assembled via the original system and the group sets off with master loot and everything. the first boss dies and the player sees that there is no loot for his class / spec. angrily he leaves without a debuff and has his id with 1/8 dragon soul.now, both of them joined a raid in the same instance via two different systems. but while the LFR player isn't really locked out of the instance, he still has a little advantage over the other player, who now has to try and find a random raid, which already has 1/8. it's that simple, you kill a boss and have a chance for loot. if there isn't something in it for you, so be it. we raid over six years with that system and with bad drop luck. and now you want to go and demand, that you can repeatedly kill a boss a week and always get some loot OR if there is nothing for you, you can just repeat it and wait for a drop?really? come on. equip your twinks, play a bit to learn the instance and enjoy the system for it's uncomplicated raid composition. don't demand that you always HAVE to get loot from every boss there. jeez.

I think this is great idea, and looking forward to it. And yes, about the loot system, I do hope they implement restrictions, such as:-Got the loot already on you? Drop is automatically passed.-Can't wear that loot? Drop is automatically passed.-Ninja the item (if something above fails)? Drop cannot be sold/disenchanted/or even vendored and it stays in your bags forever They should add a "marker" to those loots, and filling a concrete role makes you "marked" with role, for example:-Fury warrior, frost dk - get a physical dps marker.-mage, warlock - get a caster dps marker.-tanks - tank marker.-healers - healer marker.System should be pre-designed with loots already having those markers. Also, no BoE items, because there will be always an idiot that presses need and "OMG SORI GAYS, ACIDNET!"

why are people crying about the one loot per boss thing? that's how it's been for 7 years......

Whether it "works" or not - I don't really care. It will at least bring something fun to do during wow off-hours.

Originally Posted by Thustra

That is not the goal of LFR tho. It's to get the people who have no time ( I am guessing play 15 min a day now), play at weird hours or are too stupid to get anywhere in current content to be able to *see* the raids. The loot is just a little extra.

Now seeing as it is to get people who previously couldn't commit to raid in there.. how would it make sense to accomodate running it several times a week. I f they couldn't raid once before how will the people who this is aimed at be able to clear it several times?

It would make sense because lets say for example you fight a boss and your healing dagger drops but the idiot rogue needs it, wins the roll and drops group before he noticed it was a healing dagger.. LFR is a raid in a LFD shell so why should the loot rules be like an actual raid, considering nothing else is?

Originally Posted by Steampunk

It would be perfectly fine if you WON gear off a boss, having it auto-pass you that week.

I agree on that. This would keep lowest represented roles like tanks constantly active in Raid Finder simply because of the fact that they would keep returning and do bosses untill they got what they come for.

The current state of this system encourages everyone to each boss only once and drop it. I wont pull out numbers out of my ass but I dont need them to safely proclaim that perfect ratio of tanksPS:Healers is non existant. Otherwise CoT would never come to be.

Originally Posted by taylor20k

why are people crying about the one loot per boss thing? that's how it's been for 7 years......

because this isnt another raid difficulty its a whole new system.

Brb making comic just for that .

Originally Posted by taylor20k

why are people crying about the one loot per boss thing? that's how it's been for 7 years......

Because LFR has no Master Loot only lolrolls... any idiot can press Need now and fck other ppl square up the ass for a whole week with just 1 click.

i like this... but seriously, lol how many random raids do you think will even finish the whole thing? if they disband before its over... they can't finish the last bosses without requeing, so when they requeue it will be fresh.... so they'll automatically pass their loot to people that haven't done it yet. i guess i'll wait for later in the week to do random raids so that most of the people have already done the first couple of bosses.

Originally Posted by Vayshan

Because LFR has no Master Loot only lolrolls... any idiot can press Need now and fck other ppl square up the ass for a whole week with just 1 click.

Exactly this.
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The LFR tool has (had) a lot more potential. It would have been nice to see something a 'normal' raid can use to PUG the last few spots in their group, without having to go to Easy Mode 25man to do it.

I know that raises loot reward concerns (namely, an established raid with ML could screw over a PUG player on loot)... but they could design around that, where you lose master-looter privileges the minute you add a PUG player to your group.

I guess we'll never see an end to "somebody hearth to Org and ask around for a DPS" and that's a shame. The technology is there, but it will be hardcoded to have its training wheels welded on.

Originally Posted by Vayshan

Because LFR has no Master Loot only lolrolls... any idiot can press Need now and fck other ppl square up the ass for a whole week with just 1 click.

Exactly. They should finally implement a priority system where MS need rolls > OS need rolls, can't be that difficult.

Reasons why this is going to get hard to stand

1> PvP Gear: When you zone in, and you find out that half of the dps and half of the healers are on PvP gear, shit will happen. Healers going OOM mid combat, dps doing 10k, etc etc.

2> Finding a Raid Leader with patience: It just seems really odd for me that someone will want to go thru the whole problem of explaining fights, assigning roles, calling out directions and correcting mistakes if they dont win absolutely nothing extra. Finding good raid leaders is going to be incredible hard, and the average raid leader will be your normal guy in blues, trying crazy strats and raging about no one paying him attention.

3> Ninjaing: This will be THE issue, people rolling on MS, OS and even the third spec they dont own will be really common. Warriors rolling on agi mail, tanks needing on 2handers. This happens every day on the LFD tool, and it will happen on the LFR tool.

4> The Average Pug: Really bad players will get in the system, players that stand in fire, players that dont listen to advices, players that wear the wrong kind of armor, that gems old vanilla gems, and doenst enchant their gear. Douches pulling to wipe the raid, people breaking CCs earlier, etc etc. All this will be bread of every day in the LFR tool.

5> Managing a 25man raid without vent: People going AFK mid fight or before a pull, people disconnecting, some people pcs wont be able to handle 25mans correctly, so they will lag a lot. Not being able to actively communicate orders thru voice, will make things incredibly hard, because how will you tell your raidmates that X guy has to get out of fire, if that guy just doesnt read the chat?

So.. i foresee 2 scenarios happening

1. Blizz will make the current raid in LFR incredibly easy to absurd levels (not dying and feeling godlike even standing in fire). So free gear for everyone and 0 learning at all.
2. Blizz will make the current raid in LFR hard (not hard like normal or hardmode, but you get it), and only 1 raid every blue moon will be able to clear the whole raid without disbanding.

Hopefully blizz can sort this somehow!

I don't really understand why people are upset with the 1 chance at loot per boss per week. Its the same as a normal raid, you don't get more than 1 chance per week to get loot. I guess everyone who is upset about it wanted to chain run LFR for tier or stuff they didnt get in previous raids but its not a huge loot grab, its like a normal raid except easier and with 24 random people from other servers. They could have made it like that but probably didnt because it drops tier and they didnt want guilds to force people to chain run them for a few weeks, plus the people dropping group when their item doesnt drop. I've also read several people arent going to use it because they will only get 1 set of drops per week that might get ninja'd. So you would rather have no loot at all than a chance to get something even if you might not win it?

Also I'm not sure if Ill run it more than once since it will probably take longer than a 5 man to get VP but if you get tired of the LFD dungeons or there is a higher VP cap from running LFR like ZA/ZG than I probably will.

I think the solutions to people queuing with pvp gear would be for Blizzard to stop using avg ilvl as the requirement for entry. There should be a DPS/Healing/Tanking rating that is a mixture of your DPS/AP/SP/Haste/Crit?Dodge/Block/Mastery/whatever stats are important for pve for your class. I dont think it would be too hard to do since those stats are already calculated in your character view someone just has to determine which stats should be weighted more than others.

Also even though I rarely see anyone need on offspec loot in LFD when someone needs for mainspec they need to change Need before Greed to only allow you to need for gear that is useable by your current spec. Should be this way in LFD also.

What proper raidleader is going to join LFR? And what new player is going to queue as leader since they don't know anything? It's going to be a mess and I love to see how this works out.

So if i understand correctly Blizzard is still unwilling to improve on the current "Need before greed" system, which really is a "if you can equip it and you want it, click on need button" system.When will Blizzard finally understand that if they want TANKS to queue as TANK they need to give priority to TANK LOOT to people filling the TANK ROLE? (same goes offc for healer loot to healers & dps loot to dpsers). I've been plenty frustrated in the past by taking up the tank role only to have tank loot ninja'd by dpsers and/or (pala) healers. And now you think i'm gonna join a raid finder when i'll be rolling vs potentially 23 ninja's? And when you see no tanks are joining your queue i bet you're gonna offer them a crappy bag with junk for completing the raid and having all the loot you came for ninja'd away from you!I think not. I think i will simply queue as DPS and need on TANK gear just like everyone does, untill the day Blizzard gives us what we deserve.