Raid Finder Loot Rules Update

Originally Posted by Jagstang

Why does everyone automatically think someone rolling for their offspec is a ninja/jerk?

All this will do is push geared and competent tanks into a dps role, where their gear is severely lacking, and geared and competent dps into a tanking role, where their gear is severely lacking.

Instead of queuing with your best geared spec you play the best at, it's queue up in your under geared, under performing other spec, cause some cry baby qq'd enough on the forums, never realizing what they were crying about.

You will see these same cry babies crying about bad tanks/healers queuing in dps gear, and bad dps, queuing in tank/healing gear.

Then too bad?
If your secondary spec is so undergeared that you're holding the raid back, then why the hell are you even in there when that's what 5 man heroics can fix in very little time?
If you're so bad at your secondary spec that you're going to underperform your gear too, then why are you even concerned with getting raid gear for it? Even with gear, you'll still be worthless on any content you don't overgear, so again you're better off just jumping in a heroic and learning how to play it.

Stop acting like being able to roll on anything your class can use makes or breaks everyone's ability to gear up off specs, even in current pug raids if you choose to roll dps main spec as a tank, then they don't let you still roll against the other tanks when tank gear drops. Hell, if it's going off the role you queued as, you can even use a little ingenuity and queue as dps, then ask any tank you outgear if they have a dps off spec they can switch to, allowing you to play your stronger geared spec without altering what you can roll on.

well at least it is a big improvement from the previous loot rules but yeah as other have mentioned what about boomkin, elemental, resto etc. and all the rings trinkets etc.?

Originally Posted by Kalx

I wonder why not make a MS need button and a OS need button and make them available to the respective specs instead of this.. wouldn't a +100 be a guaranteed win? MS can roll 1 and OS roll 100, and MS will still win with 101. so there's not much point in that

adding a number to a roll is a more easy cost solution programming wise than adding buttons with functions and having two different roll interface (that need to be maintained afterwards) that activates in two different situations (LFR and everything else) ^^

Originally Posted by frag971

So what prevents having all fury, cats, retris and frostDKs to select tanking role just before the pull and have +100 on that last item they want from that specific boss?

LFR doesn't work that way, it works the same way as LFD - the roll you select before queuing into a dungeon is the role you're locked in at, there's no changing it. That only works in formed raids (i.e. pugs, guild runs), not LFR.

so what happen to the items that have spirit on them? of course they are going to flag it for the healers, but what about dps like Boomkin or shammy that could turn the spirit into hit rating?

Originally Posted by joyjoy10531

so what happen to the items that have spirit on them? of course they are going to flag it for the healers, but what about dps like Boomkin or shammy that could turn the spirit into hit rating?

It's said in the post that items can be flagged for more than one role.

Originally Posted by joyjoy10531

so what happen to the items that have spirit on them? of course they are going to flag it for the healers, but what about dps like Boomkin or shammy that could turn the spirit into hit rating?

They only have those talents because they can also heal. They did that so if someone who was MS healer needed to DPS something (say you bring 3 healers to a raid. But you really only NEEDED 2, the third was just in case), they could at least use their healing gear and do somewhat OK damage.

Pure DPS of those specs should never need to get spirit for Hit, they have plenty of it on their regular gear.

Wut about disc priests?

All I can say is.... ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!!!! Only 6 years late :S

And now I might actually try out the LFR tool

Wrath and Hurricane animations have been updated. /yay

Said items will be flagged by role but not spec. This mean that spirit>hit specs will be not get a bonus on "healing" items? They could flag those items as healing and dps but that would open them up for the pure dps to roll for bonus. I'm sure they have a solution. We shall see.

Originally Posted by Keile

They only have those talents because they can also heal. They did that so if someone who was MS healer needed to DPS something (say you bring 3 healers to a raid. But you really only NEEDED 2, the third was just in case), they could at least use their healing gear and do somewhat OK damage.

Pure DPS of those specs should never need to get spirit for Hit, they have plenty of it on their regular gear.

Spirit gives hit rating and mana regen. The hybrid DPSers use spirit too. It's double as useful as hit. If I have hit on my gear, and it already has crit or haste on it, I reforge the hit to spirit for more mana regen.

Edit: Not to say I roll on spirit gear over healers, but to say that spirit isn't "needed" by the hybrid casters is ludicrous.

...There will be some hurdles in this system. But I am approve. And this covers what I imagine had to happen in this system anyway. Good job Blizz.

I think most people are not understanding it right. The explanation isn't; really complex. When you sign up for a Looking For Raid Group, just like the LFG tool, you will select your role. (Tank, Dps, Healer) If you get selected as a Healer, you will only get a 100+ roll bonus when you select need on healer items. If you get selected as a Tank, you will only get a 100+ roll bonus when you select need on tank items. If you get selected as a Dps, you will only get a 100+ roll bonus when you select need on dps items. The armor type and the fact that a class cant use an item should play a role too, most likely making you unable to need on those particular items. This tool does not care about your spec/build but only cares about the role the LFR tool selected you as. Example: A ret paladin, with off spec protection, decides to queue as both tank and a dps. The queue pops and it says he has been selected to Tank the raid. He tanks a boss and after it dies. A plate dps chest drops. Because he can use it, he will be able to need on it. After needing on it, a fury warrior with off spec protection, also needs on the item. This fury warrior wins the item because of a +100 roll bonus since he was selected to dps the raid by the LFR tool. If you are looking to get tank gear from a raid (for example) make sure you only queue as a tank in order to get that bonus. Unfortunately, the +100 roll bonus addition does not seem to like greedy people.Or you could queue as dps and if you get selected for it, hope that the selected tanks already have that item and will not need it for vendor purposes and other similar armor type, dps will not be wanting that either. If you are looking to get both types of gear, from different bosses. Let say; a tank chest from the first boss and dps legs from the third. Feel free to only queue as tank for the first boss and once acquiring your item, ditch the raid and queue as a dps for a new one since you will only be 'saved' for the first boss, and you need the +100 roll bonus (to get those legs) which you wont be eligible to get as a tank.Or you could also hope that a dps drops and when signing up to find and new member for the group, you will change your class role from tank only to dps only. On the feral druid/rogue topic, I expect those items to both fill the dps and tank role, granting both of them a 100+ roll bonus.So if a feral tank, a feral dps, a rogue and a resto druid all need on the item, only the feral druids and the rogue will get the 100+ roll bonus. Blizz has done a good job with loot distribution and I believe they will do good with this addition, but only time will tell us.

Originally Posted by Opaqus

Spirit gives hit rating and mana regen. The hybrid DPSers use spirit too. It's double as useful as hit. If I have hit on my gear, and it already has crit or haste on it, I reforge the hit to spirit for more mana regen.

Again: Blizzard put those talents in so that if, say a Resto Shaman, was asked to DPS a fight (maybe they didn't need the extra heals), they could quickly change and at least be hit capped. That was the SOLE purpose of putting those talents in (this is why Mages and Locks dont get hit from Spirit!). DPS should not be having so many mana issues that they will need Spirit for regen.

If you are OOMing as a DPS, you need to rethink your playstyle. Most DPS have ways of getting mana back easily.

Originally Posted by Keile

Again: Blizzard put those talents in so that if, say a Resto Shaman, was asked to DPS a fight (maybe they didn't need the extra heals), they could quickly change and at least be hit capped. That was the SOLE purpose of putting those talents in (this is why Mages and Locks dont get hit from Spirit!). DPS should not be having so many mana issues that they will need Spirit for regen.

If you are OOMing as a DPS, you need to rethink your playstyle. Most DPS have ways of getting mana back easily.

Uh, no. Those offensive specs put points into those talents as well. It's a standard build. Your blanket assertion with no backing doesn't gain any strength if you keep repeating it over and over.

Can't wait to hear you repeat yourself again, though. Lots of fun!

Edit: Also who said anything about OOMing? All I said is that spirit gives more regen, and more regen is good. Makes it so you don't need to pop your mana regen CDs as early so you can DPS for longer. Man you sure like throwing out random stuff huh?

I called this and was called wrong. Yay me.

I love it. Good change!

Originally Posted by Keile

They only have those talents because they can also heal. They did that so if someone who was MS healer needed to DPS something (say you bring 3 healers to a raid. But you really only NEEDED 2, the third was just in case), they could at least use their healing gear and do somewhat OK damage.

Pure DPS of those specs should never need to get spirit for Hit, they have plenty of it on their regular gear.

wrong actually there is not hit on mail gear

Originally Posted by Opaqus

Uh, no. Those offensive specs put points into those talents as well. It's a standard build. Your blanket assertion with no backing doesn't gain any strength if you keep repeating it over and over.

Can't wait to hear you repeat yourself again, though. Lots of fun!

Edit: Also who said anything about OOMing? All I said is that spirit gives more regen, and more regen is good. Makes it so you don't need to pop your mana regen CDs as early so you can DPS for longer. Man you sure like throwing out random stuff huh?

*yawn*

Just because they benefit doesn't mean it was intended for them to seek out spirit gear. And I don't need to repeat myself. Who am I to trust: random guy on Forum, or the words of Blizzard themselves?