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World of Warcraft - Class Talent Systems Panel

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Talents 2.0
  • Major change to class talent trees, and this is a new phase of development for the talent system.
  • The goal is to have you sit to another next to another combat rogue, and this combat rogue will actually have different talents than you do!
  • Character customization was the original point of talents in the first place but overtime cookie cutter builds dominated the scene.

New Model
  • Class Abilities are available to all specs in the class. All warriors learn heroic strike for example.
  • Spec Abilities are available to certain specs. Only Arms warriors learn Slam. Retribution and Protection paladin get Hammer of the Righteous, etc ...
  • Talents are optional skills/bonuses available to all specs. Any warrior can choose Throwdown, and you will have to pick between 3 different crowd control abilities on this level of talent.
  • Level 15 - You pick your first talent. For example, warriors have to pick between Juggernaut / Double Time / Warbringer and players will have to pick which mobility ability they want to pick depending on their playstyle.

Talent Philosophy
  • Access to stuff you never could before. If you were a subtlety rogue you knew you weren't going to get something like Killing Spree. And because talents are going to be all in the same tree, you're going to be able to combine them in a way that you never could before. For example, any rogue can have Shadowstep!
  • Several new, overpowered (feeling) talents will be added to the game.
  • If you don't see a beloved talent in your new talents list, don't worry, it's probably something we gave your spec as a baseline. For example all Holy priests now have Circle of Healing.
  • No mandatory talents anymore.
  • Every choice should be hard but fun!

Talent Preview
  • Design will iterate a lot on individual talents
  • Don't obsess about the numbers

Death Knight
See screenshots of all tiers


Druid
See screenshots of all tiers


Hunter
See screenshots of all tiers


Mage
See screenshots of all tiers


Paladin
See screenshots of all tiers


Priest
See screenshots of all tiers


Rogue
See screenshots of all tiers


Shaman
See screenshots of all tiers


Warlock
See screenshots of all tiers


Warrior
See screenshots of all tiers


Change is scary!!!
  • Talents aren't set in stone yet.
  • Questions will be answered during the Q&As tomorrow.
  • An online developer Q&A will happen on October 27
This article was originally published in forum thread: World of Warcraft - Class Talent Systems Panel started by Boubouille View original post
Comments 245 Comments
  1. lanceb's Avatar
    im still waiting for the DK T13 and now i realy wonder how much they gona feck up the class in MoP...
  1. Harith's Avatar
    this is sounding pritty good will still be alot of min maxing per boss i say
  1. Dexiefy's Avatar
    For example, any rogue can have Shadowstep!
    yes...this is definately what this game needs in pvp... Shadowstep and cheat death for every rogue...
  1. Kikitiki's Avatar
    WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WA T.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.WAT.I am slightly startled by this and profoundly impressed.
  1. Sivick's Avatar
    sounds interesting
  1. videogamerpat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Strakha View Post
    What is 'Double Time'? The warrior talent they are talking about? Also shadowstep as assasination sounds amazing.
    Just by name alone I assume it halves the cool down on charge.
  1. Katurian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Oguobougo View Post
    WoW is a computer game, hence it's based on math. There will ALWAYS be a cookie cutter build, since one specc will always be better then the rest, based on the math behind them. No idea why blizzard doesn't see this.
    That's not what they mean by cookie cutter builds. True customization means you can pick what you want without consequences. There will be a varying degree of difference between two of the same class\spec. When they refer to cookie cutter, they mean the majority of one class\spec chooses the SAME talents because that's what optimal.

    All that is fine, except it's not true customization. It's choices for the sake of it, even though it doesn't really matter. As talents are now, you could just scrap the entire thing and GIVE people their talents as actual passive traits\abilities, and you get the same thing as what we're choosing at the moment.

    In an ideal game, a Rogue would have 50 options, but can only choose 25. So one chooses the first 25, one chooses the second 25 and both rogues, though different, are just as competitive. Thats what they're aiming for. Thats not cookie cutter. But when every rogue is choosing the first 25 b\c the second 25 aren't as good. That leads to cookie cutter.

    And you're right, it's not a big deal if thats what you want. Theres nothing wrong with that design by itself -- but obviously, thats the not design WoW wants. =)
  1. Strakha's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by videogamerpat View Post
    Just by name alone I assume it halves the cool down on charge.
    Hmm so Juggernaut can charge in combat, but this makes it so you can charge twice as often but only out of combat? I guess that would be pretty cool for leveling or tanking if warbringer still exists.
  1. Naix's Avatar
    Shaman tanks please?
  1. Ceilingpony's Avatar
    So i can pick 6 talents total (at lvl 90) and all of them will be in the same tree (there won't be any trees actually).

    What do you think, how will they solve hybrid class talents? Judging from this pic: http://media.mmo-champion.com/images...tober/pp76.jpg if you want to be tank, you really dont have much of a choice.
  1. Gaimen's Avatar
    Blood DKs rejoice we have heard you cry you can in fact get AMZ for raiding. but you have to give up bone shield. you know that ability we buffed because we thought it was a good way to increase your survivability and reduce incoming damage. So really we are saying "fuck you DKs"
  1. Andromedas's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dexiefy View Post
    yes...this is definately what this game needs in pvp... Shadowstep and cheat death for every rogue...
    And a one-class legendary for them, too!
  1. Gottie4u's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mmo_lol View Post
    I just wanna give a shout out to Boubouille, and all people behind all this coverage and say THANK YOU ALL! - AMAZING JOB!.. You guys do so much for the community, Let's All bake a cake for Boubouille,

    I approve of this message, until he maybe, gives some updates on SC2, but sure lets bake him a cake with 2 layers.
  1. Katurian's Avatar
    This is starting to sound more and more amazing. From the little bit of information so far, the 'three specs' are gone. We're basically down to having 10 classes, with one tree. And a nearly limitless way to create a final spec. There will, of course, in the future be 'cookie cutter' options. Theorycrafters will always find the optimal builds, but at least this way there will be room for variation and experimentation. This is really exciting. =)
  1. Klokie's Avatar
    double time is dobbel charge, aka you can charge two times in say 2 secs!
  1. HumanitySector's Avatar
    Blizzard just destroyed the game I loved. I can't descibe how much I despise all these changes.
  1. metalgemini's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Oguobougo View Post
    WoW is a computer game, hence it's based on math. There will ALWAYS be a cookie cutter build, since one specc will always be better then the rest, based on the math behind them. No idea why blizzard doesn't see this.
    I think the idea is that option A, B, and C will be more of a style choice than a numbers choice. I'd imagine that there won't be any pure dps talents. Or if there are, they will be easy to balance out. i.e. killing spree hits as hard as shadow dance which is the same as vendetta
  1. crackleslap's Avatar
    Ive changed my opinion on MoP, now im fucking PUMPEP! Also, im not quite sure where shaman will be heading =/
  1. Klokie's Avatar
    this is looking so sick, game changer indeed :P dks get mass death grip at 90!
  1. Rolly's Avatar
    So they're going the Diablo 3 route with talents, figured as much. It's not really a surprise.

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