Exorsus - Mythic Emerald Nightmare World First

7 out of 7 only 17 hours after the opening is just really awful design from wow devs.
They should hire the raid devvs from WIldstar, thosse raids are much better.
Gratz Exorsus

Originally Posted by Grimbold of Skullcrusher

To all people saying Mythic+ destroyed the race... Why are those other 868+ average ilvl guilds not killing last two bosses? By your logic "everyone and his mother can do it" they should...

Because some guilds are better than others or have invested significant time practicing these mechanics/strategies. The point I would raise isn't that mythic+ destroyed the race; it's that the content itself is clearly undertuned for the ilvl people have going into mythic.

blizzard needs to disable addons in mythic until server first is achieved

Gratz to Exorsus, finally they get a World First after so many years being 3rd.

Originally Posted by Rumex

Seriously, that should not be happening. You should not be able to clear the hardest difficulty in 24 hours. I understand that EN isnt a tier raid, and it might be alot easier than Nighthold, but it look likes it severely undertuned. But maybe it was Blizzards intention, since you almost can outgear the raid with all that gear that can drop from almost everything. I wish Blizzard will tune the shit out of Gul'Dan or something, so we dont se a kill after a month or so, or maybe add limited attempts like ICC.

But congratz to Exorsus.

I think they did not undertune it they simply forgot about m+ gear. They did not want you to get 850+ gear out of m+ unless it got upgraded to warforge/titanforged. Those guilds grinded the shi out of m+. Method for example streamed 7 days a week for 12-16 hours a day them clearing m+2-4 with 3 chests. This is what most guild did.

Those mythic EN bossed got tuned for 865-870. (quite likely but don't quote me on that)

Those top tier raiding guild allready got an average gearscore of 865+. Those guild were able to go for first kills with 10-15 ilvls below the requiremtns in the past what did they expect would happen if those guys match the gear requiremtns within the first day?

I dont think that the next content will be done within less than 24hours but wihin the first 1-2 weeks is quite likely. This time m+ simply won the race but the times of 6+ weeks for the finla boss are most likely over. (unless blizzard does a 180° and decides to go less casual again) because 6weeks for the top10 means 2-3 months for the average progress guild and a maybe next content for the casual raiders.

LOl ok ok so it isn't the tier but you get what I'm saying, people get waaaay too bent outta shape about these things.

I like how pretty much all of them are female blood elves and female pandaren... lol

Congrats to Exorsus!

Originally Posted by EvcRo

this raid is a joke

the easiest raid in wow history?

lol, are you joking? You talk about the absolute top of WoW raiders, that have done alpha and beta of the raid for months. It will take much longer time before your average guild manage to finish this.

Originally Posted by boynl

7 out of 7 only 17 hours after the opening is just really awful design from wow devs.
They should hire the raid devvs from WIldstar, thosse raids are much better.
Gratz Exorsus

the bosses are probably tuned just fine but guys like exorsus, method, serenity, etc. farmed the shit out of m+ and those guilds got average ilvls of 865+ (EN hc is 865) so they bosses were tuned just fine but the m+ titanforged/warforged drops kinda flawed the whole ilvl requirments.

Don't forget those guilds were able to clear the highest difficulties with 10-15 ilvls below the minimum requiremnts due them playing close to perfect if you give them the gear beforehand then it's quite likely that they clear the content fster than ever.

Those guilds beta tested the shit out of EN and got the general tactics down allready. They "only" have to do some fine tuning and work on thier execution.

the blizz declines very much, there is nothing they, this had creativity, this my part the weakest raid tier.

Originally Posted by Grimbold of Skullcrusher

To all people saying Mythic+ destroyed the race... Why are those other 868+ average ilvl guilds not killing last two bosses? By your logic "everyone and his mother can do it" they should...

Ummm most of the other guilds are stuck and cannot teleport to Cenarius right now because of a bug.

Originally Posted by Nymrohd

Naxx was cleared on day one by extremely undergeared people and that says something about it (25). Meanwhile this is the first time we see top tier raid groups dealing with Mythic without being severely undergeared (all of them in the running have gear better than HC EN and probably a trait or two more than Blizz designed the fight for). I think it was less about brute forcing the encounter and more about Exorsus coming with the best strategy faster than everyone else.

It's exactly the other way around. They did "brute force" the encounter with gear. If you have more gear you have to fine tune your strategies less.

Imagine, if they are better geared for Mythic raids than in previous expansions then how overgeared must everyone else be for all the other content compared to those other expansions where it was already out of control. Maybe that's good, maybe that's bad but at least it's not for me to steamroll through content and be bored really fast and then having to grind through all that content to find a little bit of content that is not boring which is not worth it.

And sorry to say but clearing mythic within 24 hours is way too fast. That they devote their lives to this isn't an argument because guilds have been doing that for years and I don't really remember a lot of raids that were cleared this fast. I saw someone say Naxx 25 got cleared in a day too by undergeared players. True, because it was a undertuned, rehashed raid without hardcore/heroic/mythic mode and they already cleared it in a previous expansion so they knew all the strategies. It was a huge mistake of Blizzard imo. Naxx 25 was an entry level raid without multiple difficulties, now we have multiple difficulties and there is really no excuse for the hardest difficulty to be cleared this fast by anyone.



Congratulations with the kill!

Really don't understand these butthurt people that keep going on about titanforge, and trying to make it sound like they somehow cheated by having good gear, or they didn't put effort into getting the kill?
Srsly wth?
They obviously put a lot of effort and time into the game, they are obviously skilled players, and they were first to kill Xavius on mythic.

Kudos to them, and congratulations.

The 1% of the 1% cleared a pre-tier raid ... the sky is falling.

Well it's not an unexpected world first. Exorsus was always very high in the list, usually third place right after Method and Paragon.
Now these two stopped hardcore raiding, so Exorsus naturally moves into a world first favorite position.

What does surprise me is that Mythic race is over almost before it began. I mean come on, final boss dead in under 24 hours? Highmaul was also a 7-boss raid but Imperator Mar'gok didn't died until the last day of the reset!

I guess it's because all this Titanforged bullshit. Cmon, getting 885+ gear off world quests when mythic drops 880 base? This is just stupid. The world first players always had to do the encounters severely undergeared compared to everybody else. Now they had gear which will be available to a typical mythic guild reaching those bosses.

A typical guild in 868 gear would need some weeks to progress on this instance on mythic and would eventually get it done.
A top tier guild in 868 gear just smashes the instance into tiny shreds in 17 hours. Cos these are some of the best players WoW has ever seen.

Originally Posted by Taustins

No, he is right.

It seems like it is severely undertuned.

When is the last time this happened? Can't remember. I don't think it has. They cleared the entire raid in less than 24 hours on THE hardest difficulty in game.

Granted it might be a bit undertuned, Its literally Highmaul 2.0 (yes it took longer to clear but im speaking about content wise)
It's not a tier raid and its not the last raid patch,
Sure people thought it was "nice" paragon got w1 in HM, but lets face it, the second Method got w1 in the TIER raid, HM and paragons first in there was nonsense.
This is the same shit, It's nice they got a w1, and yes it might be undertuned, but get real, its nothing than a filler brag before tier raid comes out.

also iirc Mogu'shan Vaults was cleared same day.

Originally Posted by nmityosaurus

All of the other top guilds had the same overall ilvl in their rosters going in, they're all only 5/7 Mythic atm. Pretty fair competition tbf.

I dont think you can look at it that way anymore due to so many ilvl boosts on same item.
One guild could of had 5 strong classes with 4 more ilvls on their weapons or a strong trinket and a few ilvl lower on a neck and helmet, meanwhile another guild has the oposite due to RNG on titanforged. They will show the average of same but one will still be stronger than the other.

Originally Posted by Taustins

No, he is right.

It seems like it is severely undertuned.

When is the last time this happened? Can't remember. I don't think it has. They cleared the entire raid in less than 24 hours on THE hardest difficulty in game.

Well, it certainly looks like it was undertuned compared to past raids, but if it was THAT undertuned, Midwinter/US guilds would have gotten the world first being one day ahead. Seems legit to think Exorsus are just that good at playing the game^^

Originally Posted by Bethrezen

Congrats to Exorsus and the Russians placing the huge amount of time/effort to gear up many, many hours of Mythic+10's going into Mythic EN for the kill. Props to them!

All of the other top guilds had the same overall ilvl in their rosters going in, they're all only 5/7 Mythic atm. Pretty fair competition tbf.

This is the first time I think the world first race has started with people geared almost at the itemlevel that actually drops on Mythic (due to Mythic+ farming titanforged etc.).

Taking this into consideration most guilds wont be near this itemlevel when trying to progress through mythic. The world first race cant be a measurement of how hard the content is...

Has nobody noticed the hotfix on xavius? Warlocks imps were able to dispel corruption and not give the warlock 25% corruption. That's a pretty big mechanic in the fight, corruption that is completely unavoidable, and likely what the fight was built around.
We will see what happens when the others kill it and give their opinion