Chronicles Mogu Empire Vs Scourge *Spoilers*

[Arpin]

This is the guy who essentially said Arthas could kill Sargeras. "You did it with the power of the Light plot device at full power. Without the light nobody in the WoW universe can go toe to toe with the Lich King." So yeah I'd ignore him.

Oh wow, that's hardcore.

[Traveler Voltin]

Lich king.
The end

[Ironhorn]

You forgot the worgen were a part of the Scourge.

No. These are stone mogu.

Most Mogu duing his time were flesh. Though he had found a way to reverse the curse he didn't cure the Mogu population at large.

[JTHMRulez1]

Most Mogu duing his time were flesh. Though he had found a way to reverse the curse he didn't cure the Mogu population at large.

Read OP.
10/char

[Felrane]

The LK had enough manpower to attack every major point in Azeroth for the sole purpose of bringing the world super powers to Northrend and it didn't even put a dent in his numbers. He then pretty much used his own army to hone our characters into the best they could be. He then Proceeded to one shot us and begin ressing the whole raid as his servants.

The Mogu empire is pretty small compared to modern empires in wow. They were pretty decrepit when we showed up. We wiped them out with one faction (bloodelves, Highelves). And our original expeditionary force. Its hard to know what they were like in their prime. We also dont know if Lei Shen lost alot of his power being dead for what? 12,000 years? Perhaps using the Engine of Nalak'sha and creating an army they last alot longer. But the LK can turn anything with a soul into his slave as we see with the Tol'vir in northrend and the Stone gargoyles.

Personally I think it would be a pretty decent fight. The Mogu can create armys of stone and flesh. The LK can turn both into his own army. Seems that the mogu would lose in the end.

[A Chozo]

The Mogu empire is pretty small compared to modern empires in wow. They were pretty decrepit when we showed up. We wiped them out with one faction (bloodelves, Highelves). And our original expeditionary force. Its hard to know what they were like in their prime. We also dont know if Lei Shen lost alot of his power being dead for what? 12,000 years? Perhaps using the Engine of Nalak'sha and creating an army they last alot longer. But the LK can turn anything with a soul into his slave as we see with the Tol'vir in northrend and the Stone gargoyles.

Well, in their prime, they could:

-Defeat Y'shaarj, under the command of Ra-den (Lei Shen got his powers)
-Rule Pandaria.
-I don't even know what the Engine can do o_o

And, with the allied Zandalari, they stand a very good chance against the LK, who, at max power, attacked us in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms.

[Candy Cough]

Well, in their prime, they could:

-Defeat Y'shaarj, under the command of Ra-den (Lei Shen got his powers)
-Rule Pandaria.
-I don't even know what the Engine can do o_o

And, with the allied Zandalari, they stand a very good chance against the LK, who, at max power, attacked us in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms.

Engine had the potential to Forge entire Worlds if Unlocked, and it Was responsible for Creating the Saurnok and Grummles

[Traveler Voltin]

Well, in their prime, they could:

-Defeat Y'shaarj, under the command of Ra-den (Lei Shen got his powers)
-Rule Pandaria.
-I don't even know what the Engine can do o_o

And, with the allied Zandalari, they stand a very good chance against the LK, who, at max power, attacked us in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms.

They did not kill him.
Chronicles rectoned the kill.

[JTHMRulez1]

Well, in their prime, they could:

-Defeat Y'shaarj, under the command of Ra-den (Lei Shen got his powers)

This was retconned in Chronicle Volume 1. Y'Shaarj was defeated by Aman'Thul.

Lei Shen on the other hand. Well, he beat the August Celestials.

[Lumineus]

This isn't true. LK isn't imune to things. Thunder. Lightning. Those strike from far away. The guy in the metal armour would turn into crisp.

How much do we have to nerf the Lich King for him to be killed by a lightning bolt? Did you forget he also has vast shamanistic powers at his command, and can control the weather by his own will, without the aid of a broken-down Titan relic? When was the last time you saw lightning strike in the dead of winter?

blahblahTyrion

LMK when Lei Shen gets supreme mastery of the Holy Light.

B - the influence of necromancy on Stone Mogus/Titanic Creations - They can be affected by the Curse of Flesh. They have souls. Can Frostmourne touch it?

The bulk of the Mogu armies are basically ghost-powered robots. They would become LK's playthings. He doesn't need Frostmourne for this at all, the Helm of Domination gives him authority over the undead. The existence of Forsaken Death Knights shows that even those who have broken free of his will can be taken back any time he wants.

[Felrane]

Well, in their prime, they could:

-Defeat Y'shaarj, under the command of Ra-den (Lei Shen got his powers)
-Rule Pandaria.
-I don't even know what the Engine can do o_o

And, with the allied Zandalari, they stand a very good chance against the LK, who, at max power, attacked us in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms.

Was kind of Retconned a bit but Y'shaarj was ripped out by Aman'thul instead of being killed by the mogu. Though they did defeat the elemental lords and the aqir beforehand.

The Engine of Nalak'sha can create constructs or new mogu pretty much. They also have the Thunderforge on the island of thunder. It seems to be able to create anything you wish. Wrathion does says the Thunderking had the power to create Worlds. It would be cool to have an alternate universe where Lei Shen's plans were successful.

[The Professional]

This was retconned in Chronicle Volume 1. Y'Shaarj was defeated by Aman'Thul.

Lei Shen on the other hand. Well, he beat the August Celestials.

The same hero raid would defeat beings like Malrone and Augest Celestials without any help.
The same hero raid also got one shotted by the Lich King himself with zero effort. The Lich King wasn't trying, he was merely toying with us.

August Celestial seems like a wild god on a budget a.k.a budget level tier.

[JTHMRulez1]

How much do we have to nerf the Lich King for him to be killed by a lightning bolt? Did you forget he also has vast shamanistic powers at his command, and can control the weather by his own will, without the aid of a broken-down Titan relic? When was the last time you saw lightning strike in the dead of winter?

Show me why the Lich King would survive a barrage of lightning that is hotter than the sun.

Also. Shamanistic powers doesn't work like that. The Lich King was a former shaman. But he can't force the elementals to do shit. He never did. So stop writting fan fiction and btw. The last spark of Aman'Thul's power + Ra's power > The Lich King

The bulk of the Mogu armies are basically ghost-powered robots. They would become LK's playthings.

Why.
Mogu's mastery over souls > Scourge's mastery over souls

the Helm of Domination gives him authority over the undead. The existence of Forsaken Death Knights shows that even those who have broken free of his will can be taken back any time he wants.

What an idiotic claim. The Helm of Domination doesn't give him authority over shit. It only works with undead that HE or the scourge raise. Also, that's even more stupid when you have TWO factions of Undead's that the Lich King couldn't claim. Damn, a random Tauren death knight released himself from the Lich King. Is this for real or just another Arthas-biased fanboy?

[A Chozo]

How much do we have to nerf the Lich King for him to be killed by a lightning bolt?

Remember, that adventurers took most of his life with sticks, skills and spellcasting. Lei Shen's power is similar to Ra-den (and, apparently, those of Aman'thul). And, again, we don't know the full extent of necromancy over Stone Mogus, but we do know that the Lich King can be hurt by:

-Adventurers
-Illidans

With that, he can be targetet by Lightning Whips and the dreaded hand-axe.

[The Professional]

Well, in their prime, they could:

-Defeat Y'shaarj, under the command of Ra-den (Lei Shen got his powers)
-Rule Pandaria.
-I don't even know what the Engine can do o_o

And, with the allied Zandalari, they stand a very good chance against the LK, who, at max power, attacked us in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms.

As others have said, Aman, thul was the one who defeated the Old God and Lich King is confirmed above Aman,Thul.

[Nefarious Tea]

Both awesomely powerful. But I think Lei Shen's soul magiks would trumph over the necromancies of the Lich King. Frostmourne rips souls form bodies, Lei Shen's arcanists can do that individually and create more golemz.

Also, His lightnings strike from far away, so he would have a Ranged advantage over LK (he could totally Death Grip Lei Shen tho).

THUNDER WINS OVER UNDEATH!

You have no real reckoning over how far away, LOL. Did you ever see that screenie of some guy soloing a raid instance (not even from MOP) and then he dies, with the combat log stating it was one of Lei Shen's abilities that killed him?

[Saradain]

As others have said, Aman, thul was the one who defeated the Old God and Lich King is confirmed above Aman,Thul.

Source please. Your headcanon, where mechanics trump lore and serve as great excuse to scream while blocking your ears from anyone who proves you wrong?

[Candy Cough]

Source please. Your headcanon, where mechanics trump lore and serve as great excuse to scream while blocking your ears from anyone who proves you wrong?

Deathwing didn't kill us so he's weaker than the lich king

[hulkgor]

I don't get it.

[The Penguin]

Lei Shen, no contest. He'd just obliterate the Frozen Throne for the same reasons Illidan nearly did, and without a Tyrande distraction. I suspect even if Frostmourne got his soul somehow, it'd be too "spicy a meatball" and he'd just Lol and break free, leaving Frostmourne as slag. I mean he's feasted on a World Soul here, in the form of Aman'thul and gained all of that power.

There's also the fact that his soul shapers could unbind Scourge and make them inert corpses as quickly as they were rezzed. That beats the numerical superiority, when coupled with Anima Golems that by virtue of being machines, cannot be made undead.

I think Lei Shen would realize what the Lich King was doing early on, and just send in stone mogu, churning out as many as needed till he won. Then he'd do what Arthas did to Sylvanas. Have him dragged to him, forced to kneel, mock him and then kill him, or stick his soul in a stone effigy like the Chamberlain.

/the end