Classic World of Warcraft Discussion [Megathread]

[Deficineiron]

People will see what they want to see.

also vivendi has been functionally out for years. I don't think the bylaws were anything but a technicality from their still having a barely-13g stake.

[A dot Ham]

People being online more often & for longer periods of time was the main thing I noticed during my stay.

Which is ultimately not the fault nor the responsibility of Blizzard.

[Deleted]

Aaaand the wave crashes, and the thread goes back to shitpost central (both sides).

Break time.

I think we've exhausted all possibilities by now.

[Mechonics]

Actually it isn't. Rewind back in our conversation & you're basically saying that WoW has veered way off course from Vanilla to the point that it is now a single player game. You mentioning how the vast majority of players mainly participate in things like questing or dungeons or randoms bgs does show taht WoW is mainly a single player game, that I will give to you, but all you've accomplished is also stringing Vanilla up as a single player game as well (Zing!). Most players also only did quests, dungeons, or random bgs, you guessed it just like what players do in WoD. You can make mention of elite areas of zones like Un'gorao or group quests all you want if you decide, but tons of Vanilla WoW players still did & could do most of their quests without help from anyone, did dungeons with only teh minimum amount of talking needed, and did bgs with very little constructive communication during hte game. WoD has not veered away from what teh game has mostly been anyway so just remember if WoD is a single player game so is Vanilla Bro.

My points about 2400 in pvp or mythic raiding were over the top to prove a point, but the fact still stands that you don't have to be a WoW god in order to participate in high end content that requires communication. You don't need to achieve 13/13 mythic to accomplish that. Do mythic council, gorefiend, or Iskar & call WoW a single player game. Get up to 2k in arena or rbg & call it a single player game. Oh wait..

Here's what you're saying:

WoD:
Queue up for Dungeon, LFR, PvP, Questing, Dailies
Join RANDOM group of people from all over the world to do whatever.
Do Activity without talking, probably takes 10-15 min tops and you log out for the day.

Vanilla:
Find Dungeon group in Chat channel
Travel to instance
Coordinate during dungeon (CC/CD's/etc.)
Dungeon takes 1-2hrs,
Shoot the shit
Maybe you make a friend.

PvP only takes place with people on your realm - you are bound to run into them again
You can only raid with people on your realm - you HAVE to make friends
People more than you think actually grouped to quest...especially what I saw on people's streams of nost.


You obviously never played back then because your lack of knowledge on the subject is telling. Which is fine - Cata/Pana/Wod Babies will never understand it and will continue to have everything and more handed to them on a silver platter.

[Molvonos]

What? You're saying leveling from 1-60, gearing your character up, rep farming, progressing through raids, pvping - none of those are character progression? Are you dense or do you not understand the way the Nostalrius server would have worked for me should I have played there. Just because there is an end to vanilla doesn't mean there isn't a journey.

But you can do all of these things in WoD. What exactly does Vanilla have to offer otherwise? Nostalgia? You can't say 'Social aspects' because you've said yourself you're not social aspects (Not going back two pages to find the exact quote) and everything that everyone else has complained about is still in the game, if you have the wherewith all to actually look.

WoD:
Queue up for Dungeon, LFR, PvP, Questing, Dailies
Join RANDOM group of people from all over the world to do whatever.
Do Activity without talking, probably takes 10-15 min tops and you log out for the day.

Vanilla:
Find Dungeon group in Chat channel
Travel to instance
Coordinate during dungeon (CC/CD's/etc.)
Dungeon takes 1-2hrs,
Shoot the shit
Maybe you make a friend.

As someone who's been playing since the earliest iteration of WoW beta, this was another way that your little scenario went:

Find Dungeon group in Chat channel
Travel to instance
Coordinate during dungeon (CC/CD's/etc.)
Someone breaks CC
Someone loses their shit
Someone (or multiple) leave group
Someone travels back to city to find replacement
--may or may not happen
Group breaks up, costing you up to three hours of wasted time.
Maybe you rage a bit and get pissed off enough to complain to blizzard about an easier way of finding groups for dungeons. (I wonder what happened?)

[A dot Ham]

If that's the case, than Blizzard falsely charged my account 3x and owes me ~$45.

Seriously though, what an ignorant statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OawrlVoQqSs

Who's being rude now?

Obviously I would be referring to playing on Nost. You played on Nost... you didn't pay for it. Your opinion of it holds no more value than someone who didn't play on it or would have no desire to play on it.

[Deleted]

It is not a flaw to be introverted - never assume as such. Also do not confuse introversion with being shy.

whats next, playing the being gay/asian/my-brother-did-it/"bad childhood" card?

I simply had to make friends to do more than quest and grind mats because I actually wanted to progress in the game. Remember that you were on one server, had no access to other servers and if you found someone who was a good tank you fucking became that persons friend.

As I said thats Bullshit. with 40 man raids you didnt had to be anyones friend. Just be in a raiding guild.

What? You're saying leveling from 1-60, gearing your character up, rep farming, progressing through raids, pvping - none of those are character progression? Are you dense or do you not understand the way the Nostalrius server would have worked for me should I have played there. Just because there is an end to vanilla doesn't mean there isn't a journey.

You played WoW as it was 12 years ago - so yes its ridiculous to claim you progressed. And just because the journey change on retail the journey is still there no matter if YOU like it or not.

Keep the simpleton POV's coming though. It's a wonder you even figured out how to register on these forums and found this topic.

Simpleton? is that the best you got?

Oh, and would you please explain how YOU queue for a MYTHIC dungeon? OH you only played Vanilla - that explains a lot.

[Ausr]

Here's what you're saying:

WoD:
Queue up for Dungeon, LFR, PvP, Questing, Dailies
Join RANDOM group of people from all over the world to do whatever.
Do Activity without talking, probably takes 10-15 min tops and you log out for the day.

Vanilla:
Find Dungeon group in Chat channel
Travel to instance
Coordinate during dungeon (CC/CD's/etc.)
Dungeon takes 1-2hrs,
Shoot the shit
Maybe you make a friend.

PvP only takes place with people on your realm - you are bound to run into them again
You can only raid with people on your realm - you HAVE to make friends
People more than you think actually grouped to quest...especially what I saw on people's streams of nost.


You obviously never played back then because your lack of knowledge on the subject is telling. Which is fine - Cata/Pana/Wod Babies will never understand it and will continue to have everything and more handed to them on a silver platter.

You only had to do that to form and do the place. No one really gave a shit about each other.

Don't try to make it more than it was.

[kunah]

Blizz doesn't read this stuff,,,,,,, but if they brought up some vanilla or BC servers I would immediately resub. I loved the game back then.

[urasim]

Blizz doesn't read this stuff,,,,,,, but if they brought up some vanilla or BC servers I would immediately resub. I loved the game back then.

They've been known to read and post on these forums.

[Violetti]

Oh, and would you please explain how YOU queue for a MYTHIC dungeon? OH you only played Vanilla - that explains a lot.

queue with overgeard character into a gruop with half ppl russians, get portet melt through the dungeon in 10min, just leave gruop and repeat until you have done 8

You only had to do that to form and do the place. No one really gave a shit about each other.

Don't try to make it more than it was.

too bad its to late for you to try nostalrius.

[Dormie]

But you can do all of these things in WoD. What exactly does Vanilla have to offer otherwise? Nostalgia? You can't say 'Social aspects' because you've said yourself you're not social aspects (Not going back two pages to find the exact quote) and everything that everyone else has complained about is still in the game, if you have the wherewith all to actually look.

Is this a rhetorical question or are you being dense? Are you really this unaware of the differences in how classic played compared to WoD?

[A dot Ham]

Is this a rhetorical question or are you being dense? Are you really this unaware of the differences in how classic played compared to WoD?

This is the problem with people who post and advocate for change. You can't or refuse to effectively communicate your experience.

Humor him/us. Because the question wasn't about how the game was played but about the "social aspects".

[Charge me Doctor]

Do Activity without talking, probably takes 10-15 min tops and you log out for the day.

Are you really that dense? If you want to communicate with people - do that! No one is fucking stopping you from doing that. Go talk to strangers in your random groups instead of votekicking them because their GS is not 3k+, add them as friends to your bnet account, play hots with them occasionally, talk with them you know. There is literally nothing that stops you from communicating with people, yet you complain that it somehow games fault

[Darkeon]

This is the problem with people who post and advocate for change. You can't or refuse to effectively communicate your experience.

Humor him/us. Because the question wasn't about how the game was played but about the "social aspects".

If someone claims that the social aspects and features of the game are the same as they were back then, I'd say it's past the point of argument.

[Namalia]

Are you really that dense? If you want to communicate with people - do that! No one is fucking stopping you from doing that. Go talk to strangers in your random groups instead of votekicking them because their GS is not 3k+, add them as friends to your bnet account, play hots with them occasionally, talk with them you know. There is literally nothing that stops you from communicating with people, yet you complain that it somehow games fault

Yeah, basically.

They don't want "socialization", they want "dependency".

[Perkunas]

Yeah, basically.

They don't want "socialization", they want "dependency".

I wont argue that I believe that you shouldn't be able to progress without being social. I firmly believe that you should not be able to kill the last boss in the game without speaking to anybody from 1-100 even if it's a shitty joke version of it.

[xenogear3]

Blizz doesn't read this stuff,,,,,,, but if they brought up some vanilla or BC servers I would immediately resub. I loved the game back then.

Compare to Hearthstone and HotS, it is a lot work to bring Vanilla server online.

Adding a skin and a card is far more easier than running a MMORPG server.

Blizzard is slowly moving to a high profit, but easy-to-do business.

[A dot Ham]

If someone claims that the social aspects and features of the game are the same as they were back then, I'd say it's past the point of argument.

So for the sake of argument. Spell it out.

Your reluctance to is actually making the point.

[Charge me Doctor]

This is the problem with people who post and advocate for change. You can't or refuse to effectively communicate your experience.

Humor him/us. Because the question wasn't about how the game was played but about the "social aspects".

I don't understand peoples argument about vanilla being more social - it's people who are social, not a fucking game. When "social aspects" of the game are forced on you - it's nothing good. Be happy that you, as a player, can't socialize with others and you don't have to do that god damn it. If you enjoy socializing with others - well, you still do that, without an in-game reward tho, but you still can do that. Almost all my new and old friends are from various expansions of wow, and no one stops my expanding bnet friendlist with people all around the world