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    Relationship between the Legion and the Void

    This post contains spoilers from the Warcraft Chronicles.

    So apparently, the reason Sargeras is trying to nomnomnom the universe is to give it a chance to be recreated without the corruption of the Void Lords. That raises a lot of questions.

    What is the relationship between the Void and the Legion currently?
    How is it that Demons wield the power of the void with such a radical as Sargeras at the command?
    Is the legion actively fighting the Void?
    Why are Void Walkers seen in Legion ranks? And why are they classified as Demons? Are they enslaved, similar to Warlock practices of using the enemy's tools kind of thing?

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madokbro View Post
    What is the relationship between the Void and the Legion currently?
    None that we are aware of. They aren't interacting with each others much. At most, it'd just be some OGs on some random worlds getting destroyed by the Legion. Archimonde possessed a fragment of the power within the Rift of Aln, hinting that he might have some plans to do with the Old Gods, but it wasn't clear what was his intentions yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by madokbro View Post
    How is it that Demons wield the power of the void with such a radical as Sargeras at the command?
    Sargeras only doesn't want the Void Lords to corrupt and possess the universe. He has nothing against the Void / void energy itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by madokbro View Post
    Is the legion actively fighting the Void?
    Doesn't seem so from what we know so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by madokbro View Post
    Why are Void Walkers seen in Legion ranks? And why are they classified as Demons? Are they enslaved, similar to Warlock practices of using the enemy's tools kind of thing?
    They aren't classified as demons. They are likely controlled / enslaved.
    Last edited by Qualia; 2016-04-21 at 02:33 AM.
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    They ARE actively fighting the void, hence why they want to attack Azeroth. They've already claimed many other planets, iirc.

    We see voidwalkers in Legion ranks for the same reason we see demons in our ranks. We subjugate them and use them to our will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamthedevil View Post
    They ARE actively fighting the void, hence why they want to attack Azeroth. They've already claimed many other planets, iirc.

    We see voidwalkers in Legion ranks for the same reason we see demons in our ranks. We subjugate them and use them to our will.
    They are actively destroying the universe in order to ensure there'd be no chance of corruption remain after they're done. They aren't having battle with the force of the Void, at least none as far as we know.
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    How can there be "relations with the void", I was under the impression that the Void was no more than a place where the the Void lords reside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qualia View Post
    They are actively destroying the universe in order to ensure there'd be no chance of corruption remain after they're done. They aren't having battle with the force of the Void, at least none as far as we know.
    Well if they are destroying planets that have old gods on them, I'd say they are battling the void directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madokbro View Post
    Why are Void Walkers seen in Legion ranks? And why are they classified as Demons? Are they enslaved, similar to Warlock practices of using the enemy's tools kind of thing?

    Thoughts?
    It's obvious that Blizz had different ideas than today when they made the classical demons of the burning Legion.

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    Sargeras' main concern is to destroy any corrupt world souls. I'm not sure what he'll do if he finds a world soul who does not have an old god on them.

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    The universe is a Layer Cake, here is a scheme :
    Light (Naaru come from this layer)
    the Great Dark Beyond / physical plane (Titans come from this layer)
    the Twisting Neither / astral plane (Demons come from this layer)
    Shadow-Void (Void Lords come from this layer)

    See it as a spherical cake, Light and Shadow are bound and the cake is growing. Inside the cake, you have two fillings made of two different amounts of Light and Shadow. the Great Dark Beyond is mostly made of Light with residues of Shadow and the Twisting Neither is mostly made of Shadow with residues of Light.

    There is Life in the two planes, but its bound to its distinctive plane. You can physically kill a demon in the GDB but its soul returns to the TN. If you kill a demon in the TN, its definitely dead. Same for a life coming from the GDB.

    Back to the "layer cake", you can't easily travel from layer to layer, unless there is a rift (can be caused by magical manipulation, or universe changes itself).
    So if Demons need specific conditions to travel from TN to the GDB, Void Lords travel from the Void to the GDB are worst (they need to travel trough the TN first to reach the GDB).
    That's why they sent the Old Gods who crossed the frontier between Void and TN and used some rifts from TN to the GDB.

    Sargeras, when he was a Titan, fought demons on a specific planet. These demons told Sargeras that his fight was useless because a greater threat was there, and whatever he would do, he couldn't stop the void to spread accross the GDB. And if a nascent Titan is corrupted by the Void Lords, it could be a bigger threat and summons the Void Lords by creating a direct rift from Void to the GDB.
    Because he couldn't be everywhere at the same time and prevent nascent Titans' contamination by the Old Gods, he chose to destroy every planets with/out world soul, contamined or not.
    It's called (severe) prevention.

    Pantheon are more into cure, that's why Sargeras disagreed with them and chose to get rid of them.

    Now, why can we find Void Walkers in the TN ? Because they are creatures living in the border of TN and the Void, these creatures are residuals of the Void magic.

    Sargeras doesn't fight the Void Lords directly, he prevents their arrival in the GDB. Sargeras is still devoted to his former task, to protect his own context (the GDB), like we are devoted to protect ours (Azeroth). From Sargeras point of view, you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

    It brings another question on the table : What is Naaru's mission, beside their fight against the Burning Legion which is not that official since they seem always late (on Argus, on Draenor and now on Azeroth).
    It looks like they chose Velenn for the same reason Sargeras chose Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden, and now that Velenn's Draeneis crossed the GDB from planet to planet and they reached Azeroth, Naaru communicate with him in order to prepare Anduin Wrynn to gather an Army Of Light.

    Let's be fair, Sargeras' burning crusade, in order to stop the Void Lords' invasion, is vain. As much as he found Pantheon' method was vain.
    However his Burning Legion grows and expands, he can't catch the Light/Shadow expansion and by definition the GDB expansion (that means anytime anywhere a new Nascent Titan can appear and be corrupted).

    The only solution are the Naaru, they exist beyond the GDB or TN rules. They don't die, they change side (from Light to the Void). They are by essence the Void Lords' nemesis.

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    Just as it is not only Naaru who wield the Light, it is not only the Void Lords who wield the Void.
    It is a kind of energy, a tool. Simply harnessing Void powers does not necessarily advance the cause of the Void Lords, and not all void spawn are necessarily in their thrall.

    (And by the way, the "Void Gods" that the Naaru turn into aren't connected to the Void Lords either, the opposite of a Naaru is not a Void Lord).

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    Illidan novel is canon right? pretty much shows the naaru don't work together. Velen prophesy and speculation that Anduin is leader of the army of light based on vision came from some low ranking naaru probably having fun messing with events. Elder naaru showed something else to Illidan, not gonna spoil it, read the book.
    Also, i like the layered cake analogy. universe just keeps poking screwdrivers in the cake to let the layers bleed through.

    Also, the forces in warcraft use the powers they do because they can. If the demons could use light as destructively as void, i'm pretty sure they would.
    Last edited by Chipskunk; 2016-04-22 at 02:06 PM.

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