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    Both major parties in trouble as people wake up and realize the 2 party system no longer works.

    But the Republican one has more problems as it holds tightly to outdated values that many have grown to despise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRE 9-11 View Post
    Trump better be really, really careful with how he debates Clinton. It's not a good look to have a rich boisterous male on stage bashing a female.
    Trump might not have, but we have had 10 years of 'anyone, but Hillary'. What can Trump possibly say that is remotely even equal to 10 years of ant-Hillary propaganda. Her performance on Benghazi hearings, should be a pretty clear indication how she debates against a hostile environment. We have also seen Trump's reaction to hostile enviorment, to even someone like 'bleeding from her nose' Megan Kelly and not even hostile 'that Indian' Elizabeth Warren.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Trump might not have, but we have had 10 years of 'anyone, but Hillary'. What can Trump possibly say that is remotely even equal to 10 years of ant-Hillary propaganda. Her performance on Benghazi hearings, should be a pretty clear indication how she debates against a hostile environment. We have also seen Trump's reaction to hostile enviorment, to even someone like 'bleeding from her nose' Megan Kelly and not even hostile 'that Indian' Elizabeth Warren.
    Clinton has more to lose in a debate. People expect Trump to be ridiculous. If Trump gets under her skin in the right way, I predict her losing her cool (which Hillary often does, and looks awful when she does) will hurt her in the nations eye.

    Y'know, beyond the fact a majority of people don't trust her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowraven View Post
    Both major parties in trouble as people wake up and realize the 2 party system no longer works.

    But the Republican one has more problems as it holds tightly to outdated values that many have grown to despise.
    I wouldn't call supporting republicans and democrats, as waking up to realize the two party system doesn't work. Maybe when those people who support Trump start voting for Garry Johnson and those voting for Sanders vote for Jill Stein, you'll have a point. Right now, the movement against the establishment, still has an R and D next to their names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckSparkles View Post
    Clinton has more to lose in a debate. People expect Trump to be ridiculous. If Trump gets under her skin in the right way, I predict her losing her cool (which Hillary often does, and looks awful when she does) will hurt her in the nations eye.

    Y'know, beyond the fact a majority of people don't trust her.
    Can you show me her losing her cool? It seems like she stone faced congress during Benghazi hearings and has not broken down over the course of 10 years 'anyone, but Hillary'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Can you show me her losing her cool? It seems like she stone faced congress during Benghazi hearings and has not broken down over the course of 10 years 'anyone, but Hillary'.
    What difference does it make is one.

    The snapping at Sanders people is another.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aul-March.html

    Also the way she looked so utterly bored and detatched during the Benghazi thing was also telling.

    More examples are at there. Hilary doesn't have the poise of her Husband.

    Just need to push the right buttons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRE 9-11 View Post
    A new poll from the Pew Research Center has found:






    Another interesting finding, the more education you have, the more likely you are to view the GOP as unfavorable.

    These results, in my opinion, spell trouble for the GOP in the 2016 election.


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    The analysis in this report is based on telephone interviews conducted April 12-19, 2016 among a national sample of 2,008 adults.........and 1,503 were interviewed on a cell phone,
    Probably only got a hold of democrats since republicans are actually working. Go Sanders!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Probably only got a hold of democrats since republicans are actually working. Go Sanders!
    It would be honest to say about 90% of my bernie sanders friends live at home still or are majoring in something useless in college...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRE 9-11 View Post
    7 polls have Clinton beating Trump. 1 poll has them in a tie. You're living in a fantasy if you think this race is currently tied.

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    A polling services noted for being very biased at that too. Like I even said last page in that poll they had an option that was questionable at best (ie they said unnamed 3rd party instead of a specific person like Jill Stein). The only thing you could gather from that poll is neither side is ecstatic about their choices. It was 38 Clinton/Trump, 16 Unknown 3rd Party, 8 Stay Home and 2 Not Sure. So the Poll was basically 38/38/26

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    Quote Originally Posted by akris15 View Post
    A polling services noted for being very biased at that too. Like I even said last page in that poll they had an option that was questionable at best (ie they said unnamed 3rd party instead of a specific person like Jill Stein). The only thing you could gather from that poll is neither side is ecstatic about their choices. It was 38 Clinton/Trump, 16 Unknown 3rd Party, 8 Stay Home and 2 Not Sure. So the Poll was basically 38/38/26
    Polls have also been crushed and utterly stomped on this election left and right.

    Conventional wisdom should be considered out the door by anybody who has been paying attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Probably only got a hold of democrats since republicans are actually working. Go Sanders!
    http://www.people-press.org/2016/04/...edges-lower/2/

    Page 2 has the methodology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckSparkles View Post
    He is radical left to US folks.

    "But that isn't the world stage."

    Nobody in the US cares about the world stage.

    It doesn't matter how the EU perceives him. That doesn't affect US opinion on the candidate.
    Actually it does matter, not sure why some insist on using a completely different benchmark for it all, someone with centrum right ideas doesn't magically become part of the left the second they hit US soil. Guess it has to do with dumbing down the conversation to buzz words.

    "look he's right!" "look he's left!" no need to look further. Which is a real shame, but i believe it was stated once that in the US people vote more on personality rather then policy. Not sure how true that is nation wide but does seem to be the case for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annoying View Post
    Crushed

    Do have to say though, interesting after those numbers,
    In addition to sampling error, one should bear in mind that question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of opinion polls.
    They essentially posted something that they mentioned could be completely wrong.

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    If people think Sanders is far left, where do they think communoanarchists would sit on the scale? Actual communists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    They essentially posted something that they mentioned could be completely wrong.
    That goes for every single poll ever made, and probably has to be included for legal reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukh View Post
    If people think Sanders is far left, where do they think communoanarchists would sit on the scale? Actual communists?
    They wouldn't give them much thought. They would be so far off the deep end nobody would take them seriously in US politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRE 9-11 View Post
    A new poll from the Pew Research Center has found:






    Another interesting finding, the more education you have, the more likely you are to view the GOP as unfavorable.

    These results, in my opinion, spell trouble for the GOP in the 2016 election.


    Source.
    The more democrat you are the more you don't like the GOP, news at 11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    The more democrat you are the more you don't like the GOP, news at 11.
    So the more education you have, the more democrat you are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanyali View Post
    That goes for every single poll ever made, and probably has to be included for legal reasons.
    Okay, well it also makes room to believe the credibility of the poll is non-existent. I don't know anyone that creates an argument and at the end basically says "I think, this info could be wrong due to biased info".

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    So - you do you support Trump who will cost the US budget $11 trillion, or Bernie whose Health Care plan ALONE will save the US $1.6 trillion a year?

    Are these facts never presented in US media ?
    Correct, they really aren't. If facts are presented, it is normally only the negatives.

    I don't normally watch major news networks because of it anymore.

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