One million Americans vow to boycott Target over transgender bathrooms

[zito]

Been keepin track of targets stock

Does not seem to be changing too much based on this

I compared it to Wal-mart where it seems they are a bit worse off.

Khol's (another similar store) has taken some hits too

Seems to be industry trend. Likely due to summer and a lack of holidays after mothers day.

of course nothing changed. It's the internet being the internet like always.

[Moralgy]

It's not just that, there's a whole range of differences caused by genetics and hormones.

Different proportions in various bodyparts:


Differentiation in skeletal and muscular structure:
http://www.humankinetics.com/excerpt...-women-and-men
http://human-skeleton-model-review.t...skeletons.html

MtF can't undo the skeletal changes in puberty (the closest thing would be a jaw shave, but you'd be left with the other bones), while FtM can compensate for it by taking testosterone. The later you start with hormone treatment as a guy, the less likely you'll pass, no matter what Tumblr or any other site wants you to believe.

Height can go down 1-2 inches due to muscle loss, somehow. It is commonly reported in the 20-30 bracket.
With proper posture shoulders become far less worse, and a lot of it is muscle mass.
Torso really doesn't change, but long torsos are a thing in taller women.
HRT adds fat to the hip/pelvis and ends up more hourglassey in the end.
Legs, never heard that one.


http://www.womenscycling.ca/blog/geo...ifferent-mens/

Here is a blog on cycling by an engineer that tackles that exact same picture with a few of the claims, not in regards to trans people, just in general. It is written by an engineer for bikes. Basically, all these features are commonly based on development during puberty, but are not exclusive to one or the other is what the general consensus is.

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Sure. The internet can stay.

Although do you ever wonder if social media has long term negative effects on people?

Prob does but who cares, I need my cat pictures.

[Jotaux]

Transgender or not, you would think that anyone that had a penis would use the mens washroom just to take advantage of standing up and peeing.

[BuckSparkles]

I think it is just the "green grass" kind of thinking. I really love music nowadays, the styles I listen to and play, at least. Politics... Same as now, I think, people just complained less, because of the lack of Facebooks and MMO Champs and such. Much less equality than now, quality of life lower than now, Cold War... No, thanks, I like living in the US-2016!

Trump though wants to go back to 60-s. To the time of nationalism/racism, sexism, oppressed minorities, witch hunts and ultra-patriotic rhetoric. I pretty much left a country like this for the modern US. Wouldn't want to end up in the same shoes as in the past. If that guy wins and his policies actually start getting through, I might move elsewhere. Hopefully it won't be needed.

Music now has some okay things. I personally love the general theme and style of 80's music though. I also really enjoy 80's flicks and comedy. Also things that would fly and people found funny in the 80's wouldn't fly now. Spaceballs? Anybody? Or perhaps other Mel Brooks gems? Was Blazing Saddles early 80's or late 70's? Can't remember.

As for your second part, that is about as realistic as me saying Sanders wants us to take us to a permanent great depression with socialism.

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Actually yes, they work quite well. This is an excuse used by transphobics. Many before and after pics can tell you that much. What you seem to be thinking of are transsexuals, not transgenders. Transsexuals never go through hormone therapies or surgeries, transgenders do. You might see a transexual and think "Oh man the methods still suck!" and then see tons of women who you weren't any the wiser to who were born with penises.

A lot of people change their genders, and those they meet after the fact are never the wiser, not even lovers. Seems "mutilating your body" does more than you might think it does, especially since your opinion doesn't matter to them, psychologists or other experts.

I know the difference, thank you. And no, they don't work quite well (unless like I specified before) for the average MtF person. Sure you can see some changes, but the end "result" always still clearly looks like a man with long hair(/a wig), to be blunt.

You seemed to have missed where both men and women have greatly varying body types even among the same gender.

Too bad the average MtF possesses too many properties to be considered "just a female with male proportions".

[Moralgy]

Transgender or not, you would think that anyone that had a penis would use the mens washroom just to take advantage of standing up and peeing.

Eh, tight clothes that women tend to wear comes with an issue of needing some privacy to fix the way it is placed. Tights for example are a bitch if they get out of place!

[May90]

Music now has some okay things. I personally love the general theme and style of 80's music though. I also really enjoy 80's flicks and comedy. Also things that would fly and people found funny in the 80's wouldn't fly now. Spaceballs? Anybody? Or perhaps other Mel Brooks gems? Was Blazing Saddles early 80's or late 70's? Can't remember.

As for your second part, that is about as realistic as me saying Sanders wants us to take us to a permanent great depression with socialism.

I wouldn't call it "okay"; the music I listen to, in my opinion, is, pretty much, in a better state than it has ever been. Regarding movies, I really prefer 90-s, the time of cheesy blockbusters with silly jokes.

Not a fan of Sanders either, but he at least looks like an intelligent person. Trump looks like an aggressive redneck, in comparison.

[Moralgy]

of course nothing changed. It's the internet being the internet like always.

The world revolves around our internet anger!

[BuckSparkles]

I wouldn't call it "okay"; the music I listen to, in my opinion, is, pretty much, in a better state than it has ever been. Regarding movies, I really prefer 90-s, the time of cheesy blockbusters with silly jokes.

Not a fan of Sanders either, but he at least looks like an intelligent person. Trump looks like an aggressive redneck, in comparison.

Why does looks have any value with anything involving politics?

[Jotaux]

Sanders in the only candidate I actually like.

[May90]

Why does looks have any value with anything involving politics?

Not that meaning of "looks".

Sanders in the only candidate I actually like.

Hillary is the only candidate whose policies I don't strongly dislike, but can't say I really like her either.

[Jotaux]

Eh, tight clothes that women tend to wear comes with an issue of needing some privacy to fix the way it is placed. Tights for example are a bitch if they get out of place!

I don't understand how you women can wear half the things you do. Everything looks so uncomfortable!

[petej0]

I know the difference, thank you. And no, they don't work quite well (unless like I specified before) for the average MtF person. Sure you can see some changes, but the end "result" always still clearly looks like a man with long hair(/a wig), to be blunt.


Too bad the average MtF possesses too many properties to be considered "just a female with male proportions".

You dont know the average MtF because you dont go around polling people about their genitalia. You just assume that if they look female that they must be female.

Go look at pictures of Carmen Carrera before and after. Frankly, since society is becoming more and more accepting you have younger and younger people undergoing treatments in their late teens and twenties who can pull off the transformation because their bodies arent yet fully "developed".

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Transgender or not, you would think that anyone that had a penis would use the mens washroom just to take advantage of standing up and peeing.

And risk, being the target of ridicule and shamed at best or assaulted at worst? Thats if they even wanted to pee standing up.

[Moralgy]

I don't understand how you women can wear half the things you do. Everything looks so uncomfortable!

For Fashion

[Kapadons]

So I've been wondering all this for a while since this became the hot button issue-

How many transgender people are in America? And how many of them are using a public bathroom on a daily basis?

How many of them actually give a shit about using the opposite bathroom? One of my employees is a lesbian that looks and acts and dresses like a boy. She uses the women's restroom at work everyday. And so far she hasn't complained about using the men's restroom and no one has complained about her using the women's restroom. If you hear her talk about penis, I'm sure she would not WANT to use the men's restroom (she finds them gross) There was a video post here the other day about a girl in north Carolina trying to use the girls bathroom and was kicked out for looking like a boy. So far it seems they don't have any issue using the bathroom they always used.

What do you do with someone like Bruce Jenner? Someone that had boy bits but "looks and dresses and acts like a girl" like if i had a dick but wore a dress and heels and had long hair and make-up on? Wouldn't it be more awkward for me to use the men's restroom?

Why is the main argument "guys will use this to perv on little girls"? Like there isn't a law stopping them from that anymore? And if you were gonna perv on little girls, I'm not sure a law is gonna stop you if your own morality doesn't.

On topic of target - How many trans people go to target? According to google there are roughly 700,000 trans people in the US. For this to be issue we need to know how many of those 700,000 actively shop at target, how many have to use the bathroom while they are there, how many use the bathroom they identify with rather than there birth gender and how many times they used the bathroom that someone else was in at time of occupation. In the grand scheme of things is seems like it would be a very very minute amount of people that this would be an issue for. So why the boycott?

[Jotaux]

And risk, being the target of ridicule and shamed at best or assaulted at worst? Thats if they even wanted to pee standing up.

Now you are talking crazy, who wouldn't want to pee standing up?

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For Fashion

If it was up to me sweatpants would be the most fashionable item for men.

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I don't understand how you women can wear half the things you do. Everything looks so uncomfortable!

To be honest, a lot of clothes are just quite a bit more comfortable than they look like. Skinny jeans, for example.

[Kapadons]

For Fashion

To be super sexist, I am very glad I am a man. Everyday with my wife I am glad I can wear comfy clothes, get ready in ten minutes - no hair straightening then curling, no make up, no tight underwear, can pee anywhere, no periods, no bras, no having kids, no boobs to deal with constantly, no heels, no mani or pedi. Pants are made in with width and length sizes instead of just size 8 or 12, I can rent a custom tux for a formal occasion instead of having to try on 600 and buy 1 dress.

I can't understand why someone born as a man would want to go to the dark side.

[Jotaux]

To be honest, a lot of clothes are just quite a bit more comfortable than they look like. Skinny jeans, for example.

I have no understanding of how some men can even get into skinny jeans. I guess for women there is less to get in the way though.

[Narwal]

"Our boycott has nothing to do with the transgender community"... yeah except by constantly refering to MtFs as "men" shows otherwise.

You misunderstood the statement. The statement says they're not against transgender, they're against the policy that while trying to protect transgender, endangers a larger group of people. Now, I'm not saying they're being truthful about that, but it is a valid concern. The government makes shitty knee-jerk reaction laws all the time that they don't think out. Look at that case in Seattle where they pushed through a law before filling in the details, and then a man went into the girls changing room at a pool they couldn't really prevent it because he used that law. It showed that they didn't consider how to decide when one truly is the opposite gender of their look or born sex.