Black Slaveowners during the Civil War

[Daelak]

So the institutionalized racial slavery practiced in the US is fine now?

It's all deflection. They don't want to talk about the storied history of slavery, suppression, restriction, segregation, lynching of African Americans, they focus on slavery as a means to help reinforce their belief system that systemic injustice is a thing of ancient history in US history.

[BuckSparkles]

No one is saying that, but with insightful and truthful historical facts it is quite easy to see africans share a great deal of responsibility which never seems to be discussed.

Agreed.

Hard to push the white guilt narrative when there were slave owners who were not white as well.

[Nfinitii]

Most educated ppl know this kind of stuff. But tbh the whole slave thing is over and needs to stop being used in any arguments. The whole we were enslaved thing to get special treatment or taken offense to things is stupid. I had a co-worker do the who we were enslaved thing from a joke someone said that had nothing to do with slavery. I wanted to smack the shit out of her.

[Daelak]

Agreed.

Hard to push the white guilt narrative when there were slave owners who were not white as well.

Not a narrative, just basic US history.

[BuckSparkles]

So its not something that completely ended 150 years ago. In some shape or form its offspring is still in existence, and thus the push back against it is still in existence. When republicans stop playing the race card and using racism as a means to drive out white voter turnout, then you can expect the push back against it and the white guilt narrative to start dying away. Unfortunately that doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon given the racism they have shown to Obama (that Kenyan Muslim).

So you don't mean the party that uses affirmative action? The party that basically tries to breed resentment and the idea that all their problems are due to Mr. White?

[Kronik85]

Because it's institutionalized and you can't avoid it. Here's a summary of my freshman English class in high school, at a school where the slogan was "excellence in diversity":

Started with stories about blacks being oppressed by whites
Moved to stories of hispanics being oppressed by whites
Then chinese building railroads oppressed by whites
Then Japanese being put in intern camps by whites

Combine that with the recent increase in man-guilting: men don't talk, they "mansplain", they don't just sit they "manspread", there's a wage gap (which is a totally false narrative) that the president claims is real, college has a "rape culture". So yes, as a white man you feel attacked from a lot of sides and much of it unjustly.

But you're an internet hard man right? None of this bothers you and it's the pussy SJW's that are constantly triggered. White history is alot of us going round being bastards, I'm English for instance so we were Arch Bastards, we wrote the rules on being a bastard. Do I feel bad about it? Fuck no lol. It's still a matter of fact though.

Who actually picks you out and accuses you these things? I understand US College Culture has some interesting ideas floating about but is anyone banging on your doors telling you these things or are you just reading too much shit on Gen OT?

[BuckSparkles]

Not a narrative, just basic US history.

It is US history.

And we overcame it.

Why are people still angry about something that has never directly impacted them?

[Daelak]

It is US history.

And we overcame it.

Why are people still angry about something that has never directly impacted them?

Because it is a sequence of deplorable actions that started with slavery that still persist in our country today.

[sarahtasher]

I'm wondering, who is angry about the Civil War ?

Who keep flying the flag of a bunch of slave owner traitors ?

[Reeve]

In this thread, a bunch of people posting a mundane historical fact, and then preemptively getting outraged by their assumptions about some "narrative."

[Deleted]

Interesting.

In other news, it turns out the earth orbits the sun, not the other way around.

[alexw]

It's all deflection. They don't want to talk about the storied history of slavery, suppression, restriction, segregation, lynching of African Americans, they focus on slavery as a means to help reinforce their belief system that systemic injustice is a thing of ancient history in US history.

This.

Its all in the long ago past. It has nothing to do with us more modern folk. Blacks enslaved blacks anyway. So lets forget about it. Lets just pretend that whites and blacks are treated equally in the US and have been since slavery was abolished shall we? (ignoring the whole 150 years period of racial discrimination practiced afterwards)

[sarahtasher]

You know what goes really against the lost cause narrative ?

The fact that between a quarter and a third of the South white population opposed the CSA from the get go....

[BuckSparkles]

Because it is a sequence of deplorable actions that started with slavery that still persist in our country today.

See. Here is a reasonable post that makes sense that isn't snarky or angry.

Why can't you post like this all the time?

[Dug]

But you're an internet hard man right? None of this bothers you and it's the pussy SJW's that are constantly triggered. White history is alot of us going round being bastards, I'm English for instance so we were Arch Bastards, we wrote the rules on being a bastard. Do I feel bad about it? Fuck no lol. It's still a matter of fact though.

Who actually picks you out and accuses you these things? I understand US College Culture has some interesting ideas floating about but is anyone banging on your doors telling you these things or are you just reading too much shit on Gen OT?

Yes they're literally held down by the SJW menace and force fed all the propaganda and lies. The straight conservative white male is the only truly oppressed person in the modern world

[Deleted]

Americans are uniquely held to task for something that ended 150 years ago, and it's really time to say the past is the past

Maybe because while technically not slaves, you did create an underclass of people who were shit on for another 100+ years (and some would even say 'still')

[Vyxn]

How the fuck did I know it was going to be you? Of course you thought this needed a fucking thread after you learned something new didn't you?

actually a lot of us are interested in real history not just the history the left wants us to learn as they attempt to revises or ignore the rest because it doesn't fit their narrative
I'm sure if many on the left had the chance and felt like they could get away with it they would teach that Lincoln was a democrat and the KKK was started by republicans

[TZucchini]

I don't really think that it matters who owned the slaves. The fact that matters most is that African Americans were the slaves. And it's that fact that helps to explain the many societal problems that they still suffer from today.

[Deleted]

This.

Its all in the long ago past. It has nothing to do with us more modern folk. Blacks enslaved blacks anyway. So lets forget about it. Lets just pretend that whites and blacks are treated equally in the US and have been since slavery was abolished shall we? (ignoring the whole 150 years period of racial discrimination practiced afterwards)

It's hard to heal the wounds of the past with people constantly bringing it back up as a reason to stay angry

One of the reasons conflicts like Israel-Palestine, or clash of civilisations type conversations keep occurring is that people just keep dredging the past up to rattle the present

There's enough challenges in the world today - like actual slavery in Asia in 2016 bigger than slavery ever was in the USA - for us to not require using the past as an excuse to not get along in the present

[Dug]

actually a lot of us are interested in real history not just the history the left wants us to learn as they attempt to revises or ignore the rest because it doesn't fit their narrative
I'm sure if many had the chance and felt like they could get away with it they would teach that Lincoln was a democrat and the KKK was started by republicans

If you were interested in "real" history you'd realize the political parties switched ideals a long fucking time ago. They shared a name, nothing more.