Poland will not accept refugees because they pose a threat to the country’s security

[Mehrunes]

No, back then only our money was on the table

Except the budget when Poland joined was different than it is now and it got much less than it does now. And Netherlands had to accept their accession (and the current budget), so your government didn't share in your whining about how much Poland gets out of EU (which is pretty much your only contribution to threads about Poland regardless of whether or not it's even relevant).

People here are sick and tired of paying for their wealth and the amount of economic migrants from that region.

Lol, wealth. As if Poland was a wealthy country by western Europe's standards. Also, EU spending is a very small part of member states' spending. The amount of money an individual Dutch person spends on not just EU spending as a whole and not even EU spending on countries, but EU spending on an individual member state is negligible. If Dutch people are so sick and tired of hyperbolic idiocy, then may they should leave themselves. Then again Netherlands accepted the budget so it looks like your government doesn't share in your outrage.

[sarahtasher]

Obviously a racist, which is the worst thing you can be, dontchaknow? Well, if you didn't know, Sarah sure does

Why would someone that explicitely use the ''judeo-bolshevism'' argument would be a racist ? It was only used by the f... Nazis.

[Deleted]

Ahh... I see. Gowdin's Law strikes again! As for the Jewish statement, yes, their history of subversion and expulsions is well-documented in European history, so if we're going to go for the "National Socialist" angle then we should include the Romans, the Byzantines, the English, the French, the Austrians, the Russians, the Poles, the Ukrainians, the Spanish, the Americans, and a smattering of dozens upon dozens of nation-states and governments dating back to the Classical Era. After all, it was always the fault of those bigoted people, and it never had anything to do with the actions of a certain sect of a certain population. Shoot! The Communists were all Russians, and the Jews had nothing to do with the rise of the Soviet Union!

So, according to you, Putin is incorrect; the US government's own documents from the era are incorrect; the governments of France, Germany, and the UK were incorrect; historians are incorrect, and the atheist, Jewish role in the rise and spread of Communism is merely a figment of their imagination. Is that correct?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Slovo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9la_Kun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Trotsky

And the list could go on and on and on and on. Why does history bother you?

P.S. I hate using Wiki, but at the moment, I have no desire to dig through my library for further references, and I forgot to include links from the Roman and Byzantine Eras as well as their other expulsions. Regardless, they have their own nation-state, and like other refugees, their habits and behaviors are at odds with European civilization.

Apparently it's all the fault of ancient egyptians that were anti-jewish, n they get rezzed as mummies to keep influencing the world to hate jews until today 2016. Jews have never done no wrong...it's a conspiracy!

I think we shoudl add other names to your list, Gesya Gelfman and Ignacy Hryniewiecki, jewish anarchists who murdered the Tsar Alexander II before he would make reforms for the better, murder caused effect that Kremlin instead went the other way, less willing to go with the original plan of Alexander II for reforms, so things escalated for the worse n resulted in built up anger that in the end sparked the Soviet Union.

Thx Jews...

[Spectral]

Why would someone that explicitely use the ''judeo-bolshevism'' argument would be a racist ? It was only used by the f... Nazis.

My bad, I thought he was a mere racist, not a literal Nazi. Anti-semitism is even worse than being a regular racist. We must carefully watch for it and stamp it out wherever it may crop up, lest it corrupt all of our souls.

[sarahtasher]

And what, pray tell, is my kind? Amateur historian and political scientist with degrees in both fields... ? Furthermore, why are you bringing up the Second World War, when my citations, at least in regards to the Soviet Union, all pertain to the events in the interim between the First World War and Second World War? Finally, in relation to the role of atheist Jews in the rise and spread of Communism, I'm at a loss on how to understand and explain the the level of idiocy with your commentary (especially in light of the overwhelming evidence of their role from multiple governments ranging from the Americans, the British, the French, the Germans, the Italians, and the Russians/Soviets as well as historians, political scientists, etc.). Did I touch you in a bad place? Are you Jewish? It's okay if you are!

Ah yes, agitprop 101 for the noobz : is someone contradict you, it means they are Jeeeeews (or Muslims, gays, Liberals...) and you ''triggered'' them, so you are right.

The stab in the back legend is about WW1, dude.

[Mehrunes]

Basically, there is stupid all over the world. The refugees haven't done anything. It has all been home grown terrorism in Europe. Heck, Iran alone saved hundreds of thousands of Polish and Jewish refugees during WW2, so you'd think they have at least a little bit of decency to return the favor from people that helped them in that region...

Ahaha, Polish government and decency. You could just as well talk to them in Arabic, they'd understand you the same. But hey, at least this time Kaczyński didn't mention how the refugees are going to bring some unknown plagues with them, so there's progress.

[sarahtasher]

Apparently it's all the fault of ancient egyptians that were anti-jewish, n they get rezzed as mummies to keep influencing the world to hate jews until today 2016. Jews have never done no wrong...it's a conspiracy!

I think we shoudl add other names to your list, Gesya Gelfman and Ignacy Hryniewiecki, jewish anarchists who murdered the Tsar Alexander II before he would make reforms for the better, murder caused effect that Kremlin instead went the other way, less willing to go with the original plan of Alexander II for reforms, so things escalated for the worse n resulted in built up anger that in the end sparked the Soviet Union.

Thx Jews...

Thank you Summerdrake, thank you. You are not a russian ultra if you don't believe that ''dah JEEEEEEEWS'' are the main ennemies of the Soviet Union...the Soviet Union that they created...but the Soviet Union that have to be restored-DOES...NOT....COMPUTE...FATAL ERROR (explosion)

It's of course ''silly degenerate SJW'' to point out that the Aryan boys, when they invaded Russia, butchered everyone, it's almost like if ''judeo-bolshevism'' was an excuse to ''go murder Russians and take their lands''...Oh, but I forgot, Hitler was a tool of ''dah Jeeeeews'' too.

[Mehrunes]

Problem in the middle east is almost 100% fault of USA and they "bring democracy". They invaded all those countries, they support Saudis. And somehow I don't see Muricans wanting to take any of these refugees. They just keep presuring EU to take em, calling them racist if they don't. Why don't blame USA?

What did Poland do to deserve this shit (...)

They enthusiastically joined US wars in the region you just mentioned, hoping that US senpai will notice them (and got disappointed).

this has to be one of the dumbest things ive ever read. Even if we look at Iraq/Syria/Afghan situation. Why are these people not moving to other Muslim nations in their near vicinity.

Most of them did just that.

[In Ogres We Trust]

Insults aside, I would die to know what kind of feverish dream can make you link Cromwell and the Articles of Confederacy and/or migrants. (Short of pointing out rather obviously that Irish were not considered really humans at the time being ? Wow, the scoop !) To repeat myself, the bollocks part of what you write is implying that there is a second civil war coming. I would like to know the list of ''scientists'' that said this while not being on Putin payroll.

You do realize that the US government has contingency plans for civil strife within the United States, and that they've used military tacticians, political scientists, economists, and social scientists to predict the casualty rate, likely outcomes, Balkanization scenarios, etc. for decades... right? As for a quick example of someone notable, Patrick J. Buchanan and Newt Gingrich come to mind, but if you gave me a day or two, I could come up with a list of one hundred individuals that all believe the same thing.

As for the rest of your asinine statement, the regional and cultural differences within the United States can trace their origins back to the English Civil War (Cromwellian Puritans, etc. in the north and Loyalists/Cavaliers in the south), and the US Constitution is a direct result of the Magna Carta, English philosophy, Parliamentarian democracy, the Great Awakening, the Enlightenment, the Federalist vs. anti-Federalist debate, and the Articles of Confederation. As for the EU, it was modeled on the creation of a UNITED STATES of Europe, set in forth by the United States government and globalized banking/corporations, modeled after the beliefs found within the Constitution as well as the egalitarian nonsense of the French and Communist Revolutions, and nurtured by the Allied powers after the Second World War. Finally, as I've already stated, in preparation for globalized governance, its fundamental purpose is to dilute the nationalistic leanings of the nation-states of Europe (Kalergi) with the United States being "ground zero" for all of this nonsense. Do you honestly believe that the "refugee crisis" is spontaneous in origins? No, its being organized by the US government, their allies, and their proxies on the ground. Regardless, as it relates to our continued discussion, I'm going to put an end to it since, apparently, you're incapable of logic, reasoning, and/or historical discussions. Have a nice day!

[Macaquerie]

Thank you Summerdrake, thank you. You are not a russian ultra if you don't believe that ''dah JEEEEEEEWS'' are the main ennemies of the Soviet Union...the Soviet Union that they created...but the Soviet Union that have to be restored-DOES...NOT....COMPUTE...FATAL ERROR (explosion)

It's of course ''silly degenerate SJW'' to point out that the Aryan boys, when they invaded Russia, butchered everyone, it's almost like if ''judeo-bolshevism'' was an excuse to ''go murder Russians and take their lands''...Oh, but I forgot, Hitler was a tool of ''dah Jeeeeews'' too.

Yeah, you would think that Poland and Russia would be the last places you'd find people spewing Neo-Nazi tripe, but such is the way of things it seems.

[sarahtasher]

Patrick Buchanan is a scientist now ? I suppose that the dudes in miltia outfits in Oregon are ''SEALS,'' too. (Hint : a rabid ultra-conservative is an ultra conservative. He is not a scientist)

However, dude, one thing is sure. No real historian believe in 2016 that the Civil War was about federalism vs decentralization. It was about slavery. It's not ''SJW'' to say that, it's the consensus amongst normal people

And the bit that the refugee crisis is a conspiracy is, surprisingly, well into the conspiracy theory forbidden topic.

[Khaza-R]

Not sure how this topic shifted to discussing jews. Not that I am surprised either.

But anyway, no country should be strong-armed into taking in people it doesn't want. Arguing that Poland, Romania, etc should have to abide by the EU's failed policy because they accepted benefits is like saying a child should accept being pimped out by their parent because they live under their roof.

The EU made a bad call in its attempt to show compassion. Now its created an atmosphere to proliferate opportunistic migration at the expense of native Europeans. Its good that some countries like Poland are being their own advocate. Because the governing body of the EU sure isn't.

[Cricket22]

I really couldn't care about Poland's politics any more.
Just give that country to Russia and let's get rid of it, we don't want to spend any money on it.

And please, stop the whining.
Germany paid a lot to Poland.
And it's not their fault they didn't receive any help from the Marshall Plan or that they were under Soviet rule.
They've aided Poland in the last 12 years and that is what matters, they have no obligation to give this aid.

So if Poland wants to play with the big boys, it has to play the full game.

really? Hum, from what I've heard, this man is one of the most popular politicians in the Netherlands, on track to becoming your next Prime Minister.


Is this true? Because he seems rather opposed to migrants to me.

[RobertMugabe]

srsly who cares about this? How many People would've want to go there in the first place?

Not even the Poles want to live there, why would refugees want to?

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really? Hum, from what I've heard, this man is one of the most popular politicians in the Netherlands, on track to becoming your next Prime Minister.


Is this true? Because he seems rather opposed to migrants to me.

He actually lost a lot of votes at the EU elections.... so bad, he even cried a bit

[Deleted]

Yeah, you would think that Poland and Russia would be the last places you'd find people spewing Neo-Nazi tripe, but such is the way of things it seems.

I'm neither Russian nor Polish...and where isn't there anti-semitism? Oh yeah, countries that didn't have to suffer those people...and don't start with the a few bad apples of them, that excuse is as tired as the one about a certain "religion of peace"...I don't tolerate destructive elements of our societies, if that disturbs you, I don't care. As for "neo-nazi" ha ha ha omg you do realize that dislike of Jews have existed for several millenia? Are you now blaming Hitler for what ancient Egypt did, or ancient Babylon??

[Macaquerie]

srsly who cares about this? How many People would've want to go there in the first place?

Not even the Poles want to live there, why would refugees want to?

Honestly, I can't imagine how big of a blow it must be to national pride that even refugees don't consider Poland a place worth living in. Maybe this overreaction to migrants is a coping mechanism to get out in front of that, like "I don't care if you don't want to come in, you're all banned anyway! POLSKAAAAAAA!!!!!"

[Mehrunes]

Honestly, I can't imagine how big of a blow it must be to national pride that even refugees don't consider Poland a place worth living in. Maybe this overreaction to migrants is a coping mechanism to get out in front of that, like "I don't care if you don't want to come in, you're all banned anyway! POLSKAAAAAAA!!!!!"

If you expect rational thought out of Polish nationalists, you're doing it wrong.

[Nehezbegar]

Honestly, I can't imagine how big of a blow it must be to national pride that even refugees don't consider Poland a place worth living in. Maybe this overreaction to migrants is a coping mechanism to get out in front of that, like "I don't care if you don't want to come in, you're all banned anyway! POLSKAAAAAAA!!!!!"

Well i am happy refugess dont want to live here, but the problem is EU want to force those ppl to live here in concentration camps. What are we suppose to do when they want to flee to germany? Shoot to them? They want to go to germany so let them go there. I dont want those so called refugees here.

[Deleted]

Not sure how this topic shifted to discussing jews. Not that I am surprised either.

Gee, I don't know! No fault of the jews clearly!

1,000 American Rabbis Sign Letter Welcoming Syrian Refugees
http://time.com/4135445/american-rab...efugee-letter/

and how many refugees has Israel taken in??

One country that won't be taking Syrian refugees: Israel
http://www.latimes.com/world/middlee...906-story.html

So people shouldn't have any problems with these double standards? They don't want refugees in their own country but use a huge effort to move them to other countries. WHY should they get involved!? I don't see Buddhists shouting that Europe should take in refugees, I don't see Hindus demanding Europe taking in refugees, WHY are Jews so adamant in doing so? Wouldn't there be less anti-semitism if Jews decided NOT TO GET INVOLVED in European affairs! Gee what a radical though!!! I'm sure the sheeple don't like to hear that...

[RobertMugabe]

Honestly, I can't imagine how big of a blow it must be to national pride that even refugees don't consider Poland a place worth living in. Maybe this overreaction to migrants is a coping mechanism to get out in front of that, like "I don't care if you don't want to come in, you're all banned anyway! POLSKAAAAAAA!!!!!"

Pretty much.

Another good example of this is Slovakia...
Why do the Slovaks, Czechs, Poles etc. make an issue out of this situation, when they are not really affected by it?
This whole "refugee crisis", at least sometimes, seems to be just a tool for politicians to gain votes and distract from real Problems like corruption etc.