Question for you folks who played back in vanilla. Broken/Draenei related.

[Deleted]

I started playing when TBC released, and I remember that pre-Cata Swamp of Sorrows had Broken mobs in it that you could kill (possibly even related to a quest.)

My question is, were those added in TBC or did they in fact exist back in vanilla? If it's the latter, then how? The Dark Portal wasn't reopened yet at that point.

Any clarification is appreciated.

[zubaja]

There were Broken back in vanilla -before they were retconned to The Lost Ones (if I recall correctly).
This is what WoWpedia states on the matter:

When the Dark Portal was reopened into Azeroth, a small number of Broken draenei lead by Magtoor travelled through scarred by the ordeal of their world’s destruction. Called the Broken Exiles, they live in the Harborage within the Swamp of Sorrows. However, many of these Broken draenei's sanity slipped from them, accelerated by their separation from their homeworld.

[Deleted]

I see, and how do these fit in the vanilla time line, then, before retcon?

[Bathory]

I don't think they ever really explored them, lore wise, but I could be wrong. I remember the swamp of sorrows camp (and that horrible alliance escort quest) in vanilla, and I feel like there was another zone with random broken in it (trying to recall, that wasn't blasted lands).

Broken models can be found back in WC3:TFT if that helps.

[Soeroah]

I honestly can't remember. I don't think Horde interacted with the Broken in SoS too much. I remember one in Blasted Lands, though.

I don't think it really explained how they were there, though. We already knew about the Broken from The Frozen Throne, but it didn't really clarify any had left Outland.

[Dellis0991]

Plotholed and possibly retconned?....Maybe they sneaked thru the portal back when the orcs came thru, those orcs was probably so high off that demon blood they probably didn't pay attention to anything that creep along thru with them.

[Deleted]

You know, all these questions I am asking is because of a roleplaying character concept I am trying to come with.

The character is a Draenei death knight, who was killed some time after the restoration of the Sunwell and raised by Arthas' forces. I want his origins to be that he actually slipped through the Dark Portal during the First War, but remained in a -relative- seclusion ever since. He didn't turn into a Broken/Lost One because of his sheer will, which is the prime focus of the character.

Do you folks believe that could somewhat work?

[Obelisk Kai]

You know, all these questions I am asking is because of a roleplaying character concept I am trying to come with.

The character is a Draenei death knight, who was killed some time after the restoration of the Sunwell and raised by Arthas' forces. I want his origins to be that he actually slipped through the Dark Portal during the First War, but remained in a -relative- seclusion ever since. He didn't turn into a Broken/Lost One because of his sheer will, which is the prime focus of the character.

Do you folks believe that could somewhat work?

Back in vanilla, the models in the swamp of sorrows were what we now call lost ones, the really, really pathetic ones. Before we knew who the new Alliance race was going to be, and boy did we really want to know that, THESE were presumed to be the true form of the Draenei...at least what they looked like now. In fact it was often suggested that these were going to be that new Alliance race...an ugly race for the Alliance alongside a beautiful race for the Horde.

Until Blizzard dropped the bombshell that the Draenei and the Eredar were in fact the same race. In 2.0 the sentient lost ones in the swamp of sorrows were retconned to have the Broken model introduced with the expansion.

As for your RPG plan...if the broken and the lost ones could slip through the portal I see no reason why a full blooded Draenei couldn't if he was careful enough.

[Gracin]

It's your character, but I'm not sure how much luck a single Draenei would have had just slipping through the portal. Perhaps your character was captured and the Orcs brought you through for some twisted plan? You escape and go into hiding.

Or perhaps your character was a part of a last group of Draenei warriors setting out to clear a path through the portal for other draenei evacuees(some who might later become the broken). Shit goes bad, and you exile yourself in shame. This version allows for other draenei rper's to join in your plot line by being survivors. Perhaps they were part of the evacuees or the group of warriors. Or hell you could have been part of the evacuee group in the first place.

[Deleted]

It's your character, but I'm not sure how much luck a single Draenei would have had just slipping through the portal. Perhaps your character was captured and the Orcs brought you through for some twisted plan? You escape and go into hiding.

Or perhaps your character was a part of a last group of Draenei warriors setting out to clear a path through the portal for other draenei evacuees(some who might later become the broken). Shit goes bad, and you exile yourself in shame. This version allows for other draenei rper's to join in your plot line by being survivors. Perhaps they were part of the evacuees or the group of warriors. Or hell you could have been part of the evacuee group in the first place.

This actually kind of giving me ideas, thanks. It's just a concept, after all. I like the captured idea a lot, because it fits his hardass character (and relation to my main, so to speak), BUT why would the orcs bring him out is what I am struggling with.

[Gracin]

This actually kind of giving me ideas, thanks. It's just a concept, after all. I like the captured idea a lot, because it fits his hardass character (and relation to my main, so to speak), BUT why would the orcs bring him out is what I am struggling with.

Breeding stock maybe. Or perhaps your character has a minor connection to Garona.

[Deleted]

They came through when the portal originally opened before, in WC1 and 2 tehnically. Remember that in Warcraft 3 Akama and his kin were invisible most of the time somehow, so that's probably how a few of the broken slipped in too.

I don't think they ever really explored them, lore wise, but I could be wrong. I remember the swamp of sorrows camp (and that horrible alliance escort quest) in vanilla, and I feel like there was another zone with random broken in it (trying to recall, that wasn't blasted lands).

Broken models can be found back in WC3:TFT if that helps.

Blasted Lands. There were a few here and there in some craters and one who wanted us to gather stuff for him as he hated this world and wanted back. I remember him because everyone laughed when the Outland portal opened since he kept saying how he wanted back and he'd go immediately if he could but when the portal reopened he was still there.

[Stormspark]

They were there in vanilla, and they were thought to be Draenei then (because they looked similar to their WC3 TFT appearance). They were still called "Lost Ones", but that was because of their situation and not their form (at that time it was not known that there were different forms of Draenei). They had gotten trapped on this side of the portal when it was closed and thus their homeworld was "lost" to them (at that time it was also believed that Draenor was their original homeworld).

There were some significant retcons when BC came out (because Chris Metzen literally forgot about the Draenei's original story), but the Lost One mobs were still the same. It was just retconned to them being corrupted.

[Beloren]

Back in vanilla, the models in the swamp of sorrows were what we now call lost ones, the really, really pathetic ones. Before we knew who the new Alliance race was going to be, and boy did we really want to know that, THESE were presumed to be the true form of the Draenei...at least what they looked like now. In fact it was often suggested that these were going to be that new Alliance race...an ugly race for the Alliance alongside a beautiful race for the Horde.

Until Blizzard dropped the bombshell that the Draenei and the Eredar were in fact the same race. In 2.0 the sentient lost ones in the swamp of sorrows were retconned to have the Broken model introduced with the expansion.

As for your RPG plan...if the broken and the lost ones could slip through the portal I see no reason why a full blooded Draenei couldn't if he was careful enough.

I don't think the models were retconned.

The classic SoS (called draenei back then because we didn't know, not cos of retcon - they are draenei, just lost one draenei) lost ones were there in the swamp of sorrows.

When TBC came, I think Broken also came to the Harborage from then on, and then a draenei finds them. Hmmm, I may be wrong on the Harborage bit, not sure. I tink the story goes that the Lost One leader who gave us quests in Vanilla goes crazy also in TBC and you have to kill him. Broken have now entered the Harborage since the re-opening of the Dark Portal along with the draenei.


The only retcon about the Draenei is that Sargeras tempted them, and not they tempting him. And I think the reason it is a retcon is because it is stated in the manual and not in the narrative. If it was stated in the narrative, you can easily fix that by just saying the person who shared the info was mistaken - (corrupted data, or the information he based it on was actually a lie, false info, or fictional account not an accurate one).

Which begs the question, how does the info on Sargeras get known to the world? was it via the Night Elves? was it via Medivh? was it via original Gul'dan or Ner'zhul? Was it via the Lost one Draenei (because at that time we hadn't met any of the normal nor Broken draenei - actually we had met Akama, he was modelled up as Broken, not lost one - not necessarily a retcon, lets just chalk it up to the art didn't reflect the difference)
Night elves did fight the legion for 250 years in the original timeliene, they could have learnt much about the Eredar then. Likely Azshara, I can imagine if Illidan could reverse peer into Kil'jaeden's mind and Sargeras', Azshara could have done, and we get the knowledge from the Highborne who betrayed her to join Tyrande or she even told Tyrande in a bragging moment back in the War of the Ancients.
Medivh could have shared knowledge with Malfurion, Jaina or Thrall or all of them in WC3, he could have known. That time he spends wherever he has been, whatever has happened to him since the first dark portal, sharing a soul with Sargeras could go two ways so could have learnt it during his possession but only consciously aware after he had been released, not only that he could have learnt it wherever he has been between WC2 and WC3.
Gul'dan or Ner'zhul - it's possible, but then Kil'jaeden is most unlikely to have shared any thing like that with Gul'dan who was just a blind puppet or maybe he did to make himself more amazing to him.
Ner'zhul - could have learnt it when he was being made the Lich King by Kil'jaeden, then Arthas got that info when they merged or he told him, and we get the info from him.

I could be mistaken there, there is a possibility they just retconned the quest giving lost ones to Broken, I don't remember the details, that area changed completely in Cata.