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    Quote Originally Posted by Nfinitii View Post
    It is true, if u take away super delegates, the race is super close. In votes Bernie is giving her a good run and it shows how divided the democrats are. With super delegates it's not even a thing.

    It's pretty obviously what Trump is doing, trying to divide or bring some democrats over. Smart move
    Hows it super close? Her pledged delegate lead is nearly 300, far greater than Obama ever had on her. Without superdelegates, he needs 2/3 of all the remaining delegates to TIE her.

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    It's a tactic.

    If Bernie runs 3rd party, it will basically divide the democratic votes in half and ensure trumps win.

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    1) Sanders will never run as an independent. It would be entirely contrary to his political goals -- to move the government more progressive. He knows running 3rd party would guarantee a Trump victory.

    2) If Trump was trying to be subtle...yikes. Probably more a tongue-in-cheek moment for him.

    Clinton isn't likely to loose her cool against Trump. I'm sure there will feisty testy moments, but some people think Clinton will just melt down when put under pressure which is a little odd given her lengthy and frequently testing tenure in DC.

    The debates will be spectacular watching though. I can't wait for Trump to bring up Bill's infidelity to have Hillary bring up that Trump ACTUALLY cheated instead of just standing by her man who cheated.

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    If you want more than two choices then you must vote for a 3rd party candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringpriest View Post
    What's truly frightening, is that this is pretty clearly Trump thinking he's being both subtle and clever.
    While I think Trump would be a shit President and be horrible for America, I do not believe him to be an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    ???

    The polls say Hillary has an average ~6% poll lead.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...nton-5491.html
    When I see these claims of Trump leading in the polls I would love for them to list those polls that show this. Otherwise one might think they are simply making up shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    1) Sanders will never run as an independent. It would be entirely contrary to his political goals -- to move the government more progressive. He knows running 3rd party would guarantee a Trump victory.

    2) If Trump was trying to be subtle...yikes. Probably more a tongue-in-cheek moment for him.

    Clinton isn't likely to loose her cool against Trump. I'm sure there will feisty testy moments, but some people think Clinton will just melt down when put under pressure which is a little odd given her lengthy and frequently testing tenure in DC.

    The debates will be spectacular watching though. I can't wait for Trump to bring up Bill's infidelity to have Hillary bring up that Trump ACTUALLY cheated instead of just standing by her man who cheated.
    Trump's going to engage in a lot of the usual debate tactics, like personal attacks and gishgallop, which of course the uneducated will eat up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    If you want more than two choices then you must vote for a 3rd party candidate.
    The way to do it is to vote third party locally but stick to the two parties nationally -- that is if you want your vote to count.

    Unfortunately until third parties start picking up power locally they won't get any traction becoming a national power. That's why I always vote third party for small local offices but still to major parties otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    The way to do it is to vote third party locally but stick to the two parties nationally -- that is if you want your vote to count.

    Unfortunately until third parties start picking up power locally they won't get any traction becoming a national power. That's why I always vote third party for small local offices but still to major parties otherwise.
    Things will never change with this attitude. Stand up for what you believe in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by philwasted View Post
    Oh Gawd, Cenk at it again with the Bernie propaganda. Has this guy released a video in the last 6 months that hasn't mentioned Sanders? I don't know if this guy is married, has a girlfriend (or a boyfriend) for that matter but he seems like the type of person that probably mentions Bernie Sanders while having sex.

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    I'll vote for a 3rd party candidate when we have an election cycle where the worst case scenario is something other than becoming Guatemala's spiritual successor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangean View Post
    When I see these claims of Trump leading in the polls I would love for them to list those polls that show this. Otherwise one might think they are simply making up shit.
    Its pointless linking single polls anyway. You need multiple averaged polls to weed out the outliers and inaccurate ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philwasted View Post


    That made me spit my cofffee
    As much as I hate trump... both him and Bernie are really show the American people how broken our voting system is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Trump's going to engage in a lot of the usual debate tactics, like personal attacks and gishgallop, which of course the uneducated will eat up.
    Sure, but the people into that sort of thing are already in Trump's camp. That behavior will likely turn off a number of people and has the real vulnerable spot of looking misogynistic.

    Hillary will have lots of ammo herself -- if she wants to avoid the personal attacks there is still lots there that Trump is going to be weak on.

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    If Bernie runs as 3rd party, you can bet that a Republican candidate would jump in as a 4th party. Likewise if Paul Ryan decides to run as an Independent, Bernie would then run as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Partysaurus Rex View Post
    As much as I hate trump... both him and Bernie are really show the American people how broken our voting system is.
    The system is fine. When people like Obama win, it is the citizenry that is broken.

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    hes right, you know. breathe. it will be ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Things will never change with this attitude. Stand up for what you believe in!
    Sorry I'm a realist! There is evidence out there for building a third party presence locally as a long term strategy to breaking the two party system.

    However you have to realize that the constitution will have to change before third parties will ever actually be viable due to the requirement that the winner get a majority of electoral college votes. That's extremely unlikely with a viable third party and the powers that be will voluntarily select a third party candidate for president or VP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    ???

    The video doesn't contradict anything I said. Clinton has an average 6% poll lead.
    The video also states it's flaw early on. Where he claims polling showed that Bernie had no shot, but he did better than expected. Well, guess what, those polls that said he had no shot... Those polls are being confirmed, as he is losing the nomination...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    Its pointless linking single polls anyway. You need multiple averaged polls to weed out the outliers and inaccurate ones.
    Yeah no disagreement. Just like to see them squirm when asked.
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